James Bond 25 - Speculation and Anticipation Thread*

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Vidiot, May 19, 2016.

  1. GregM

    GregM Ready to cross that fine line

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    Not to belabor the issue, but the early Bond films and even the not so early Bond films are terribly dated by other standards -- beyond just the gadgets.
     
  2. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Dated? They were made 50 years ago( under the category of classics).
    Thankfully being old myself I can appreciate them. Saying that I’ll appreciate any new Bond films if it entertains ala CR 2006.
     
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  3. GregM

    GregM Ready to cross that fine line

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    I think other classics from that era have aged better because they made an effort to be more timeless. No such pretense with most of the Bond films. This can be endearing but yes they are dated and haven't aged as well as others. If you don't believe me, try watching one with a youngster.
     
  4. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Yeah well .. when a youngster I’d imagine sees a film with actors opening credits at the beginning of the movie he/she will run a mile .. especially if the film in question is in B&W.:)
     
  5. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of nine copies of Tug of War

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    My son's only 17 and he's loved them since he was a kid.
     
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  6. muzzer

    muzzer Forum Resident

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    Und jetzt auf Englisch, bitte?
     
  7. NickCarraway

    NickCarraway Forum Resident

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    Q in Skyfall: we don't go in for exploding pens.
    Q in Spectre: here's an exploding watch.
     
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  8. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    I want to read the article in The Guardian by Madeline Grant,
    but it's locked. Subscribers only. One has to pay for a ton of
    stuff one will never read in order to see one article. I can't find
    the text elsewhere, so ....

    .... this youtuber reads some of it aloud:

     
  9. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    I'm 95% in agreement with this youtuber:

     
  10. Billo

    Billo Forum Resident

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    my God Daniel Craig looks old and worn out there !!

    with about as much charisma as a dead duck (so too that youtube narrator guy)

    I dread this film....looks like were gonna get a right woke 'Goon show' !
     
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  11. MikaelaArsenault

    MikaelaArsenault Forum Resident

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    Daniel Craig just really needs to hang it up already and move on.
     
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  12. AppleCorp3

    AppleCorp3 Forum Resident

    The overarching sense I got from this video/description is (to use a Doctor Who term) “forced regeneration.”

    After this, I’m curious what’s going to be next for the franchise and the character.
     
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  13. Shoehorn with Teeth

    Shoehorn with Teeth Romans 6:23

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    Some of the rumored leaks don't sound promising. I really have a feeling this is going to be the first Bond film that I have no desire to see a second time, which is a shame. Craig's run has been up and down but I think Casino Royale and Skyfall are both really great, so he walked away with two classics. No Time to Die looks poised to make Die Another Day look like a masterpiece.
     
  14. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Looks like Henry Cavill doesn’t think he’s going to get the James Bond part now due to delays per se with Covid 19. Pushing to do more Superman films, guess knows where his bread and butter is.
     
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  15. Billo

    Billo Forum Resident

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    I think we could end up with a PC anti violence non smoking, electric car driving mega polite Bond who 'knows his place'...

    ....and who only drinks non organic milk 'shaken not stirred'
     
  16. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    And no sex .. Covid danger.
     
  17. AppleCorp3

    AppleCorp3 Forum Resident

    I wish someone with a lot of money would actually make that film, just to make a point. It would be fun to watch people on both sides lose their minds.
     
  18. Billo

    Billo Forum Resident

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    they might just have...called No Time To Die !
     
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  19. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA!

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    Or time to die!
     
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  20. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    James Bond is written as a Jeffrey Epstein-type predator in the new film.
    His aggressive passes are rejected by the women characters in a series of
    comedy skits. No doubt Daniel Craig's fans will argue this is the natural
    extension of the character for these times and isn't he great at it.
     
  21. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    Well, it appears that #25 will not be appealing to the "aging fanbase".

    We will see how this goes.

    Speaking from that aging fanbase, I have seen my last James Bond movie.

    Good luck with the new fanbase...
     
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  22. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    No kidding.

    They're still better films than what's being made today.
    They're better written, better produced, better acted, better made.
    And "dated" which doesn't interest me.

    Just like the original KING KONG from 1933 and HORROR OF DRACULA
    from 1958 are better than today's remakes. Just like STAR WARS 1977 easily
    surpasses the sequals being made by Disney. And incidentally, today's films
    are going to date faster and fall harder in quality than yesterday's films.

    I have watched early Bond films with youngsters and I found they respond
    well and were fully engaged.
     
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  23. Billo

    Billo Forum Resident

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    regardless of any dated production aspects ( and how much something has actually 'dated' to a fair extent depends on how upbeat or derogative YOU choose to see it - the so called 'Timeless' films will have some 'dated' aspects if we want to find them, while even today's films are already 'dated' to now) the key strengths re those early Bond films was the core Fleming ideas used, the charisma of the Bond actors - something now sadly very reduced I feel, well directed action scenes, good use of suspense, imaginative location filming and great camera work plus some unforgettable foes portrayed by stars like Joseph Wiseman, Lotte Lenya, Robert Shaw, Gert Frobe, etc and later Yapete Kotto, Christopher Lee, Robert Davi ....

    ...plus the very underrated Bond Girls (an almost unmentionable term today's silly woke 'mind control' age) where the likes of Ursula Andress, Honor Blackman, Diana Rigg, Barbara Bach, Maryam d'Abo, Carey Lowell etc all gave fine performances that stand out in the memory with NONE of those characters being mere 'eye candy' - a number of those female characters saved Bond's life and if you bother to go back and watch the film's the Bond leading lady is mainly a key figure in most of the films helping Bond with only a few being more the typical 'bimbo' idea of a Bond girl !

    Skyfall badly missed having such a iconic Bond leading lady character and the ongoing series thing about Bond's prissy disapproving elderly mummy figure of 'M' drove me up the wall (a character who made error after error in her judgments quite unable to spot a traitor under her nose even if they wore a tee shirt with TRAITOR printed upon it ! - change the record Wade and Purvis !!)

    the Bond series needs to be BOLD enough to do what it originally did...lead the audience not pander to PC piffle, and make Bond a modern version of his old self complete with flaws and non dictated to opinions and characteristics a figure daring to THINK for himself and use his own wits and experience to accomplish his missions, a sharp minded character never out done re quips with a keen sense of ironic dark humour and above all a self confident guy !

    and if the 'PC Brigade' can't cope with that, if it upsets their mindsets....well they don't have to watch it do they ?

    what made James Bond stand out was the fact he was a 'maverick' a maverick with charisma, style, humour and flair who never would be put down or meekly run with the herd or ever 'know his place'
     
  24. AppleCorp3

    AppleCorp3 Forum Resident

    Even if the movie is ‘dated’ (which is a byproduct of age not necessarily intent, what struck me about the early Bond films was the story - especially when using Fleming’s novels as the source material. Casino Royale is a great example of how easily you could shoot one of those novels and have a good modern film. If you get taken in by the story, you miss a lot of the other stuff that signifies its era.

    Ive been on a Brosnan kick lately, and yeah the technology is super dated (flip phones??) but they were good stories too, and he did a great job in the role. They hadn’t ruined Judi Dench’s M character yet either. They’re fun, and easy to get caught up in.
     
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  25. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    For me Judi Dench’M ruined the Bond films, too much emphasis on her., not enough on James Bond.
     

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