Again, I don't talk about the drumming but the sound of the drumkit. And I don't like Doane's drum SOUND
I think Pegg was the last hired member to have any real style. Everyone who followed him were just yes men for Ian.
I'd say the Fairport members that followed Pegg, Martin Allcock and Dave Mattacks, had distinctive styles, but couldn't fully express them with Tull.
Agree. Martin Allcock was a fantastic musician on a range of stringed instruments but was hired as a keyboard player! Dave Mattacks is a great drummer but was not a great fit for Tull - perhaps more the acoustic stuff, but not so much the rock and especially not the prog. Peggy, on the other hand, fitted in well, and continued in the tradition of Tull being in a band of easily recognisable characters and strong personalities. (I always find it amusing that the three albums before he joined - while remaining in Fairport - were "the folk trilogy" but his first one with the band was A!)
Have you listened to Lou Reed's Blue Mask? Doane's drum sound on that album is one of the best i've ever heard.
Most of it, anyway. The recording in Slipstream is edited, removing the instrumental passage/guitar solo and one of the "get out and get what you can..." sections. But, yeah, what's there is the Bursting Out version. (Also used as the B-side to "A Stitch in Time" and featured on the Promotion Manual promo compilation.)
Regarding the passage of cutting the beginning of Crossfire: I am stunned how Ian managed to edit these things back in the good old tape days. When you listen to Orion there is absolutely no indication that there are any edits, it just sounds that it was played that way. Likewise I can't imagine that the beginning of Crossfire isn't the actual beginning and that there is simply cut something out. I am really curious to hear the unedited track.
I assumed they created a new master for the tracks when they decided to edit them - the alternative Songs From The Wood on the boxset couldn't have been done by snipping tapes, they must have done two masters then picked the one they wanted to keep. There is sometimes info on the choices in IA's track by track notes, but not always.
What amazes me is the complexity of the material that didn't see the light of the day. A couple of tracks are a bit rough sounding and not there yet but most of the times it's obviously stuff that has haf a lot of time spent on: it looks like "Coruisk" falls in this category. A look at the sessionography also reveals that they worked at an extremely fast pace. I don't know how they made it!
Agreed, it is stunning that some of these pieces had so much effort put into them and were then just tossed aside. With the wealth of b-sides and non-album tracks that have already appeared on remasters and boxed sets over the years, you'd think some of these would have already seen the light of day. I'm wondering if there could possibly be more unheard stuff for Broadsword, but we shall see. My bet is on Motoreyes being finally made available somewhere other than the 20 box.
I've had that thought many times listening to the box sets from the 70's albums about how much music Ian wrote and the band learned.
I had a Tascam 24 track at home and a Telefunken M15 2 track to mix unto, but I wasn't into editing. The only editing I did back then was cutting the tape at the beginning and ending of the track and sticking leader tape to it...
I can only repeat myself, but Ian Anderson 1993: "The vaults are empty now. Everything that's still left even a hardcore fan wouldn't want to listen to", 2017: Old Aces die hard.... Ok one could say to his defense that the tape boxes were labeled "Dark ages", but , man, in 1988 when the 20 years box was compiled he must have remembered that fantastic track.... And not only Old aces... everything previously unheard on the boxes after that 1993 quote...