Jethro Tull 'Benefit' - New Steve Wilson stereo and 5.1 remixes*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by ponkine, Apr 19, 2013.

  1. zongo

    zongo Forum Resident

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    I guess I don't fully understand why people have a problem with DVD-V if it is done right. For example those Classic Records "HDAD"s I believe are DVD-V's and they certainly sound fine and work fine in a regular old DVD player. I should say I may not fully be understanding something about this whole question.
     
  2. bodhisattva

    bodhisattva Forum Resident

    The DVD-V portion of the HDAD discs is usually 24/96 LPCM, so yeah, they should sound good. 24/96 LPCM stereo is the highest sample rate you can get on to DVD-V (although I think 4.0 24/96 LPCM might work), anything beyond that (ie 24/96 5.1, or 24/192 stereo) is over the 9mb/sec maximum data rate for DVD so you need to go to DVD-A, which uses PPCM (packed PCM, or losslessly compressed PCM) to reduce the data rate to within the 9mb/sec threshold. Sound quality-wise, LPCM and PPCM should be identical.

    So those HDAD discs are fine if all you want is 24/96 stereo, but for people who want uncompressed 5.1, or 192khz stereo, DVD-A is a necessary thing.
     
  3. zongo

    zongo Forum Resident

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    Gotcha, OK, I didn't understand that. So for some of those things, which I think are totally legitimate, you do need the DVD-A.

    I have to say though, that I would be overjoyed if every album that came out was at least in 24/96 stereo and nicely mastered...it would make the overall music picture so much better! I know, just dreaming.
     
  4. search&destroy

    search&destroy Well-Known Member

    i hope so too....i am waiting for the vinyl version.....the addition of Teacher to the album is significant......i would rather have an average recording of the usa version then an audiophile version of the uk version....its that significant
     
  5. Just out of curiousity what is the difference between the US and UK versions of 'Teacher'? I know the song well but if I was to hear the song playing right now I wouldn't know which version I was listening to.
     
  6. pbuzby

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    Among other differences, the UK has no flute or piano, longer instrumental breaks and ride cymbal rather than hi hat in the verses. And it doesn't emphasize the bass riff in the verse as much.
     
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  7. Lord Hawthorne

    Lord Hawthorne Currently Untitled

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    Also, the guitar riff is different, almost jazzy, certainly busier.
     
  8. mickster

    mickster Forum Resident

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    I have the French 45 rpm mix of Teacher...is that the same as the UK?
     
  9. Yes, in other words it's the boring version! Seriously, I have never understood the mere existence of this version as a release... They are chugging along in the solo break... and no one ever does a solo! It's even funnier on the clip from the TV!
     
  10. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    It is a rare instance of Ian playing electric guitar along with Martin (as is "To Cry You A Song" and possibly some other Benefit tracks).
     
  11. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

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    I grew up with the US version of Teacher. I agree that UK single version (not the version on Living in the Past which is also the US version) is the busier of the two and a bit jazzier, but the bass line is way more infectious in the US version. Heck, an easy way to solve this problem is to make sure both are included!
     
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  12. Boaz

    Boaz Forum Resident

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    now £14.02 on amazon uk.
     
  13. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

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    5 days until release day!
     
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  14. tootull

    tootull All elements agree

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    WIN a copy of Prog-Kings Jethro Tull’s – Benefit the Collector’s Edition
    Published on October 24th, 2013

    We have 3 copies of Jethro Tull’s - Benefit 2CD+DVD Collector’s Edition to give away

    Jethro Tull’s - Benefit
    2CD+DVD Collector’s Edition

    http://www.subba-cultcha.com/compet...-tulls-benefit-the-collectors-edition-inside/
    Following the release last year of the 40th anniversary edition of Thick as a Brick, on 28th October Chrysalis Records will release a Collector’s Edition of Jethro Tull’s Benefit album.

    Benefit was Jethro Tull’s third album, first released in April 1970. Transcending the blues influences of their 1969 album Stand Up, it was a much more hard-rocking album which saw the band utilise more advanced studio techniques. It reached number 3 in the UK.

    The Collector’s Edition of Benefit plus bonus tracks has been mixed by Steven Wilson and approved by Ian Anderson. CD2 is a mono and stereo disc ofrare and previously unreleased versions of tracks and singles associated with the period Benefit was released in (more information available on request). The audio only DVD includes a surround sound mix of Benefit, 96/24 tracks of Stereo in UK and US running orders.

    In addition, the Collector’s Edition will include a booklet featuring an 8,000 word essay written by Martin Webb, as well as interviews with band members and a selection of photos, some of which are rare and previously unseen.

    A vinyl edition featuring the new & previously unreleased Steven Wilson mix of the UK running order of ‘Benefit’ on 180g heavyweight vinyl, will be released on the same day.


    Benefit Collector’s Edition tracklistings:

    CD 1

    1-With You There To Help Me (6.20)

    2-Nothing To Say (5.13)

    3-Alive And Well And Living In (2.48)

    4-Son (2.53)

    5-For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me (3.49)

    6-To Cry You A Song (6.16)

    7-A Time For Everything ? (2.45)

    8-Inside (3.48)

    9-Play In Time (3.49)

    10-Sossity; You’re A Woman (4.37)

    Bonus recordings

    11-Singing All Day (3.07)

    12-Sweet Dream (4.03)

    13-17 (6.20)

    14-Teacher (4.58) (UK single version) (stereo)

    15- Teacher (4.03) (US album version) (stereo)


    Tracks 1-10 Produced by Ian Anderson

    Executive Producer Terry Ellis

    CD 2: Associated recordings

    1-Singing All Day (mono)*

    2-Sweet Dream (mono)

    3- 17 (mono)

    4- Sweet Dream (stereo)*

    5- 17 (stereo)*

    6-The Witch’s Promise (mono)

    7-Teacher (UK single version) (mono)

    8-Teacher (US album version) (mono)

    9-The Witch’s Promise (stereo)

    10-Teacher (UK single version (stereo)

    11-Teacher (US album version) (stereo)

    12-Inside (mono)

    13-Alive And Well And Living In

    14-A Time For Everything (mono)

    15-Reprise AM Radio Spot 1 (mono)

    16-Reprise FM Radio Spot 2 (stereo)

    *previously unreleased


    DVD

    DTS & Dolby Digital 5.1 & stereo versions of the following:

    1-With You There To Help Me (6.20)

    2-Nothing To Say (5.13)

    3-Alive And Well And Living In (2.48)

    4-Son (2.53)

    5-For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me (3.49)

    6-To Cry You A Song (6.16)

    7-A Time For Everything ? (2.45)

    8-Inside (3.48)

    9-Play In Time (3.49)

    10-Sossity; You’re A Woman (4.37)

    Bonus recordings

    11-Singing All Day

    12-Sweet Dream

    13-17

    14-Teacher (UK single version) (stereo)

    15- Teacher (US album version) (stereo)


    New 5.1 surround sound and stereo mixes by Steven Wilson

    Flat transfer of Original UK LP master at 96/24:

    UK running order

    1-With You There To Help Me (6.20)

    2-Nothing To Say (5.13)

    3-Alive And Well And Living In (2.48)

    4-Son (2.53)

    5-For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me (3.49)

    6-To Cry You A Song (6.16)

    7-A Time For Everything ? (2.45)

    8-Inside (3.48)

    9-Play In Time (3.49)

    10-Sossity; You’re A Woman (4.37)

    +US running order:

    1-With You There To Help Me (6.20)

    2-Nothing To Say (5.13)

    3-Inside (3.49)

    4-Son (2.53)

    5-For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me (3.50)

    6-To Cry You A Song (6.15)

    7-A Time For Everything (2.44)

    8-Teacher (4.04)

    9-Play In Time (3.53)

    10-Sossity; You’re A Woman (4.39)

    Additional flat transfer recordings at 96/24:

    11-Sweet Dream (stereo) 4:08

    12-17 (stereo) 5:32

    13-The Witch’s Promise (stereo) 4:01


    Ian Anderson is known as the flautist, singer and composer of the legendary Jethro Tull, formed in England in 1968 from the amalgamation of blues-based John Evan Band and McGregor’s Engine. Since their first performance at London’s famous Marquee Club in 1968, the band has released 30 studio and live albums, selling over 60 million copies worldwide and played in 54 countries, earning them a prominent place in rock history.

    The official Jethro Tull website:
    www.jethrotull.com

    To enter this competition please email COMPS@SUBBA-CULTCHA.COM – PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR EMAIL’S SUBJECT HEADER IS THIS COMPETITION’S HEADLINE (the top line) – Email us with your answer/your phone number/postal address (this information won’t be shared with anyone, just the winner’s details so they can receive their prizes) – we will contact the winners as soon as they’re picked, thanks for entering!
    Question: Ian Anderson used to wear what on stage?
    a) Handcuffs
    b) Cockpiece
    c) Sunglasses

    This competition closes on the 11th Nov 2013, any entries sent in after this date won’t be considered.
    Written by: jchick on 10/24/2013.on 10/17/2013.
     
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  15. Isn't that "codpiece"?
     
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  16. tootull

    tootull All elements agree

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    Sunglasses
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  17. Lonson

    Lonson Don't Get Around Much Anymore

    With codpiece
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Lord Hawthorne

    Lord Hawthorne Currently Untitled

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    Knowing Ian, it was probably both.
     
  19. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    on order! can't wait!:)
     
  20. CaptBeyond

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    Lousy timing! Gonna have to be on guard from the thievin' little trick-or-treaters...
     
  21. mrbillswildride

    mrbillswildride Internet Asylum Escapee 2010, 2012, 2014

    This looks so yummy... and has been so many years in coming... It's gonna be greaaaaaaat!!!!:pineapple::bdance::pineapple:
     
  22. Don't know if this has been asked and answered already, but are the benefit mono mixes fold downs?
     
  23. Lonson

    Lonson Don't Get Around Much Anymore

    Would be odd if they were!
     
  24. Why?
     
  25. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    I'd be a bit surprised if they include both stereo and mono fold mixes in this set, but stranger things have happened.

    Interesting that disc two mentions unreleased stereo mixes of "Sweet Dream" and "17." I had thought "Sweet Dream" was first mixed to stereo in 1972 for Living In The Past, is this an earlier mix?
     

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