Jethro Tull 'Benefit' - New Steve Wilson stereo and 5.1 remixes*

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  1. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    My copy will be here today. Based on the reviews here, I can't wait to give it a spin.
     
  2. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    If I recall right they revived To Cry... on the final late 75 Minstrel tour and continued playing it on the Too Old... tour. I have recordings of both, will check them out sometime.
     
  3. tootull

    tootull Looking through a glass onion

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    To Cry You A Song is awesome. Benefit is all good now. - Believe in DTS 5.1 - ignore Dolby
     
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  4. spice9

    spice9 Senior Member

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    Unlike Aqualung, the Benefit remix is more subtle. I have and like the 2003 remaster, and the remix to me, in stereo, does not overwhelm. Obviously the 5.1, a set-up I don't have, is a different animal.
     
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  5. Bill Hart

    Bill Hart Forum Resident

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    I'm spinning the first side of the UK Benefit remix vinyl now, and my sonic 'memory' tells me this is far less compressed sounding; I have a first UK Chyrsalis "i" and a first US; I may spin the others later but I am enjoying this. The midrange is more open, based again on 'sonic memory' and no glaring digital 'bite'- it might be less warm sounding than the original UK record, but that thing was so murky, much as I am an 'analog' guy, I think it is worth the trade-off. Again, these are first impressions, but those count for something. Now on side 2.
    FWIW, and maybe my memory fails me here, but on 'with you there to help me,' I seem to remember the guitar cutting into the song pretty much from the start. Am I tripping? Here, it comes in later in the song with that classic Martin Barre 'thick' muted Les Paul tone....
     
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  6. Gary Freed

    Gary Freed Forum Resident

    Mine order arrived today from Amazon.

    I have not had a change to open the package.

    Perhaps tonight.
     
  7. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    I know I'm in the minority here. Got mine yesterday and after repeated listens I find
    it loud and unrewarding. I much prefer the old US Chrysalis CD :hide:
     
  8. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

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    Loud!? I find it quite dynamic.
     
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  9. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    But to each his own...the lp rips are fantastic!
     
  10. Bill Hart

    Bill Hart Forum Resident

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    Interesting, so you are saying the CD of this isn't great, but a rip of the same mix from the LP (back) to digital is? (No, i'm not trying to bash either format, just curious to understand). Thanks.
     
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  11. Tristero

    Tristero In possession of the future tense

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    Agreed. I don't think you can accuse the new mix of being overly compressed or harsh sounding, particularly now that Mew is out of the picture.
     
  12. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    I'm sorry if it's confusing. I mean the rips from the original US and UK albums on the DVD. The original mixes, that is.
     
  13. patsdelight

    patsdelight Forum Resident

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    To be clear, though, they're not "rips" from LPs - they're transfers from the master tapes.
     
  14. tootull

    tootull Looking through a glass onion

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    It's all in the tambourine on Sossity; You're A Woman, isn't it. Yeah, yeah it is :D. The 2001 Benefit remaster rips that tambourine up a bit. The original US CD holds its own at loud levels. I'll give you a pass. lol
    Louder - at least the tambourine holds together on the 2013 Benefit, just on the verge of breaking up.
     
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  15. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    That's it. The original US is really crankable. This one I'm afraid not. EAC shows 98+ for most tracks
    and my ears find it unacceptable (that's only me, though!). Maybe I'm developing some kind of
    strange tinnitus but the US cd pleases me the most. Mind you, the LP transfer from the original masters
    are fine to my ears. Maybe they'll be my next go-to version:agree:
     
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  16. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    EAC measures the peaks. You could have 100% on all tracks and still get the most dynamic mastering ever.

    It is not an LP (or vinyl) transfer but a transfer of the master tapes without any mastering.
     
  17. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    I'm not an expert at all I just go by ear. Whatever sounds good to me. That's all.
    What do I know? I don't even like LITP mfsl and prefer the UK Chrysalis, but again that's me
    I need to feel that creamy smooth sound when I play my music to fill me with joy. Not the case this time:shrug:
     
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  18. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Of course, that's your prerogative. :) I was just saying that the EAC levels have no correlation to loudness.
     
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  19. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

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    Moonchild, do you prefer the original mixes on the DVD or the old US Chrysalis CD?
     
  20. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    The DVD mixes are fine to me but I still prefer the old US Chrysalis CD (except for "teacher")

    Concerning EAC: the first four tracks from the Wilson remixes pick at 98.8 98.8 98.4 98.0. Is that a coincidence?
    Such different tracks have almost the same volume pick. I just don't get it
     
  21. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    I meant "peak". Sorry
     
  22. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    The same four tracks on the US Chrysalis: 81.4 79.4 73.6 81.9 so they're really different between them...
     
  23. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

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    Just because the overall volume is louder on one version doesn't mean that it is any less dynamic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik, it's when things are crushed to max levels without any breathing room that folks are more likely to get fatigued from listening. It's not like the remix's volume levels stay full blast all of the time.
     
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  24. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Dynamic Range readings

    The old US CD:
    DR album: 11
    DR min: 10
    DR max: 12

    The remix:
    DR: album: 11
    DR min: 10
    DR max: 13
     
  25. Moonchild

    Moonchild Forum Resident

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    ça va , monsieur but it all comes down to your listening pleasure
    Do a shootout and decide which one pleases you the most
    The US cd pour moi.:tiphat:
     
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