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Jethro Tull "Benefit" Sound Quality

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by workhorse, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. workhorse

    workhorse Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Richmond, BC
    I have an original pressing on "Benefit", and it sounds quite bad (especially when compared to "Stand Up" or "Thick As A Brick"). The worst offender on "Benefit" is weak and tinny bass. Also, Barre's guitars are shrieking and piercing, unlike the gorgeous tones he lavished upon us on "Stand Up".

    My question is: do I have a bad pressing of that LP, or are all other pressings equally tinny and brittle sounding?
     
  2. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

    No, "Benefit", my fave Tull album (and a Top Ten All Time album for me) has almost no bass / low end.

    This was because Chrysalis decided to, in a (short-sighted) attempt to save money, build their own studio.

    They didn't have the kinks worked out when they recorded "Benefit" (or "Aqualung" for that matter).

    That's why "Stand Up," which preceded "Benefit," sounds so much better.

    They got the kinks worked out by "Thick as a Brick," the UK pressings of which sound fantastic.


    You'll hear a lot of praise here for the Steve Wilson remix of "Benefit", and, while it has improved bass, he screwed around with too much of the rest of the mix, which didn't need it, IMO.

    It ended up with too much of a "Modern Sound", IMO.



    From what country is your "original" pressing pressed?

    What are the stamper numbers?

    Some early pressings are better than others.
     
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  3. Scott in DC

    Scott in DC Forum Resident

    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Which pressing of Benefit do you have? The original Chrysalis with Island "I" logo at the top of the labels sounds pretty good.

    I agree with you though that Benefit doesn't sound as good as Stand Up which sounds quite good.

    Scott
     
  4. Hi Lizard

    Hi Lizard Forum Resident

    Location:
    Frankfort Kentucky
    The US pressing I had wasn't to my liking, but the pressing from Germany I have seems to me a better overall listen.
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Larry Geller

    Larry Geller Surround sound lunatic

    Location:
    Bayside, NY
    All 1st pressing US Reprise copies of Benefit have side 1 pressed out of phase. This was covered in Rolling Stone at the time.
     
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  6. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Modern sound, mystery gone.
     
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  7. recklessczar

    recklessczar Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bay Shore NY
    I hate the way the drums sound. But the whole album sounds dull with no depth. Even the playing seems to lack swing . Both This Was and Stand Up sound great to me. Benefit was a let down for me.
     
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  8. workhorse

    workhorse Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Richmond, BC
    When I say "original" pressing, I mean it was pressed in the year when it was released (1970); it's not a reissue. Mine is probably the US pressing (haven't checked).

    I agree with you on "Thick As A Brick"; not only is it the best sounding Tull LP, it's one of the best sounding LPs in my collection. I always put it on when I want to enjoy music that was recorded and mastered with full dynamics, with that warm 'tubey' sound that seems all but impossible to produce nowadays...
     
  9. folkfreak

    folkfreak The cold blooded penguin

    Location:
    Germany

    This is simply doesn't get any more true, even if you continue to write this multiple times on several threads...
    Chrysalis didn't build up their own studio.
    It was Island that did build up a studio and even then Benefit didn't have to do anything with that studio. as it was recorded at Morgan studios.
    Aqualung was recorded at Island studios.
     
  10. folkfreak

    folkfreak The cold blooded penguin

    Location:
    Germany
    Ironically Thick as a Brick was recorded at the same studio as Benefit.
     
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  11. jeddy

    jeddy Forum Resident

    yes
    I love steve's work but Benefit didn't sound right to me.
    too futzed with!
    Could have been with Ian's direction since he doesn't have a lot of glowing things to say about the album.
    He probably wanted "this changed" and "that changed" etc.

    my second favourite Tull album so it ……...hurts.....
     
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  12. tkl7

    tkl7 Agent Provocateur

    Location:
    New York, NY, USA
    Like another poster said, the album is no sonic marvel to begin with, but the original press US on reprise has side 1 out of phase and sounds especially bad.
     
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  13. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

    This is the first time I've seen you correct me... sorry, I will misinform no longer on this subject! :hide:

    Given that, why do you think both "Benefit" and "Aqualung" sound so crappy (mostly due to little bass / low end information) while "Stand Up" and "Thick as a Brick" sound so great?
    .
     
  14. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kinda guy. Mysphere 3.2.

    Benefit always sounded bad. Very midrangey. The remix vastly improved it and Aqualung, IMHO.
     
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  15. CCrider92

    CCrider92 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Cape Cod, MA
    Benefit is my Tull favorite followed by Aqualung. I don't hear what you guys hear so that's either a curse, a blessing , or both. When Benefit came out I listened to it non-stop and still do play it frequently. Should I perhaps get the Wilson edition or would I be deaf to that as well?! LOl
     
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  16. Socalguy

    Socalguy Forum Resident

    Location:
    CA
    I have an original pressing of “Benefit“ and it always disappointed me. It could’ve been a much better album if properly recorded.
     
  17. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago, IL, US
    I had a U.S. Reprise LP with the phase problem on side 1, but found another with the Artisan stamp that sounds better.
     
  18. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    my original US pressing was quite lacking...I do enjoy what Wilson did with his "Benefit" remix...but, he sticks so close to the original mix and makes the sound kick as it should have!
     
  19. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    actually back then I loved it as it was, but I was young back then...I just played it LOUD!!! LOL.
     
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  20. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    2 of the best remixes ever...I have no problem with a remix that mirrors the mix and improves the sound!
     
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  21. owsley

    owsley Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston
    A Time For Everything was the only really well produced song on Benefit IMO. Putting Barre's drum kit on only one track was a big mistake and the bass was severely unrecorded as well. Benefit reminds me of the Kinks Village Green lp with its very light, thin (and unsatisfying) sound. I agree with you that the CD remix does beef up the rhythm section quite a bit
     
  22. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kinda guy. Mysphere 3.2.

    Fixed that for you.
     
  23. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago, IL, US
    As far as Bunker being on one track, I think they were using 8 tracks, and most songs have doubled guitars and vocals, so unfortunately they didn't have much room for him.
     
  24. qwerty

    qwerty A resident of the SH_Forums.

    I loved this album as a teenager.
    I never noticed the lack of bass on the record player I had with a ceramic cart, and a 3" speaker pointed towards the underside of the record.
     
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  25. tootull

    tootull talisman

    Location:
    Canada
    :cool: Love the Benefit remix.

    [​IMG]
     

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