Jethro Tull – Heavy Horses: New Shoes Edition, 5-disc set (9 February 2018)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Daniel Falaschi, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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    Canada
    in the warm mesh of sunlight
    sifting now from a cloudless sky.
     
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  2. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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    It's just the live music-I think the 5.1 live mix could have been more aggressive.
     
  3. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    So is it like live 5.1 mixes usually are? Mostly ambience and audience in the rears?

    I expect that the studio album's surround mix is as good as the ones before, right?
     
  4. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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    A touch better than that, though very similar. The audience has been mixed so low that the overall ambience/feeling is almost lost.
     
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  5. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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    The 5.1 studio tracks are in a different league. Perfection to me.
     
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  6. The new Heavy Horses set is wonderful. Loving the care taken in bringing the remix of the original album, as well as the improved sound of the Berne concert. Bursting Out always sounded as though the drums had been badly recorded (tinny, screeching cymbals and deficient floor tom-tom), and this has been nicely rectified in the sound of this concert, which was one of the venues from which Bursting Out was selected.
     
  7. PROGGER

    PROGGER Forum Resident

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    I noticed big differences with side 2 compared to side 1. Were all the original tapes found?
     
  8. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    Thanks, good to hear. I'm a rather casual Tull fan, but this is the album I know best after "Aqualung". And I'm a fan of Wilson's surround mixes, so I will very likely get this set.
     
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  9. PROGGER

    PROGGER Forum Resident

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    All the remixes are so good that everyone would become a Tull fan
     
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  10. Bill Mac

    Bill Mac Forum Resident

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    I listened to the 5.1 mix from DVD 1 this morning and thought it was excellent. I have all of the Tull sets and find all of the 5.1 mixes to be excellent. I was somewhat distracted as I kept looking at my "disfigured" DVD 2 and it ruined the whole listening experience ;). Oh the humanity :D!
     
  11. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    Yes, these re-issues have made me catch up with some albums I didn't know before. They sure sound great.
     
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  12. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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  13. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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    :D :D :D The clouds fade as the music shines through. (too much, I know) :tiphat:
     
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  14. Bill Mac

    Bill Mac Forum Resident

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    Works for me :righton:!
     
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  15. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Elliptical Envelopment

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    Tbt I got this one for the Berne set. Total upgrade over Bursting...and Ill still keep it. HH is decent enough but never one of my favorites.
     
  16. showtaper

    showtaper Forum Resident

    Actually I am paying for a disc that should have no visible flaws. Any records purchased should arrive in the same "new" condition. Please direct me to any notice on the product that would indicate such terms.

    I guess that you'd be just fine with a windshield on your car having a few cloudy spots due to a manufacturing defect. It still keeps the wind and water out and you can see through most of it so it must be ok.........

    For the record: None of the discs in any of my Tull box sets have had any visible defects.
     
  17. I've had this kind of discussion with a seller from Discogs who sent me a "mint US copy" of a CD that turned out to have fingerprints and scratches on it, as well as being made in the Netherlands. He just said return it for a refund, but as long as it played, it was mint. I tossed it instead (reasoning that he lied about the condition and the origin of the CD, so was I likely to get a refund on the CD?). He left negative feedback because he didn't believe I would do that.
    Personally, I expect a new item to be unblemished.
     
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  18. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    I don't know if standards are going up... or standards are going down (on my end)... but all I can remember is growing up as a kid, when I got a new toy, I didn't examine every part of it to see if the plastic was welded just exactly right, to see if every sticker was just exactly perfect... those things never crossed my mind. I took it out and played with it. And it gave me joy.

    And when I bought music growing up, I didn't worry about hype stickers, pressing plants, whether the print was blurry on the cassette, or whether there was a crease on my vinyl album cover. And when CD's came around, I didn't hold my CD up to the light and look for problems, I think I did that to marvel at the rainbows it cast on the wall, but otherwise I threw it on my player as quickly as possible and opened my ears. And it gave me joy.

    Somewhere along the way, things acquired for 'pleasure' seem to have become more important as material objects, than for the joy they give.

    I won't say that's wrong. But I will say that's sad.

    Carry on... I wish we could return to talking about... you know... the music.
     
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  19. yescool2002

    yescool2002 Forum Resident

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    I certainly hope they can find someone who can properly mix the next live recordings, this is dry as a soundboard stereo tape
     
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  20. tonewheeltom

    tonewheeltom Forum Resident

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    Driving around with the stereo remix CD in my vehicle, I definitely like this album more than I ever did. I always felt that this album and Stormwatch muted the “character” of each individual member, creating that more generic sound they had in the late 80s onward. This remix brings out the Jethro Tull I love from TAAB to SFTW. I’m still getting used to Ian’s hoarseness...



     
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  21. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    I reckon Mr Wilson wouldn’t do a bad job...too bad he doesn’t seem to want to do live surround.
     
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  22. PROGGER

    PROGGER Forum Resident

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    What does dry sound like?
     
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  23. Deek57

    Deek57 Forum Resident

    :unhunh:
     
  24. Vaughan

    Vaughan Forum Resident

    The purpose of a windshield is to see through. Blemishes might prevent that, or make it more difficult, so it would not be acceptable. In this case, the DVD was made to transport music. It does that. It was not made to be framed and put on the wall. The comparison is apples and oranges.

    No-one is arguing that a blemish free disc wouldn't be preferable. No-one is saying they prefer or blindly accept damaged goods. What I'm saying is - there is a mark on the disc, but since it does not affect playback, it's acceptable. No replacement is necessary.
     
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  25. Vaughan

    Vaughan Forum Resident

    I very rarely resell. It's just not a consideration for me. Given every set in this case seems to have the marks, how can it affect its value?

    Mind you, who's buying with the idea of reselling, other than dealers?
     
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