Jethro Tull - the Steven Wilson remixes

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by street legal, Jun 17, 2015.

  1. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Huh, all remixes are Steven Wilson's, but they were mastered by Peter Mew on the 2011 Blu-Ray. They are presented as flat transfers (no mastering) on the 2016 reissue.
     
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  2. That right. I was confused. Doesn't the 2011 Blu-ray also have some strange digital noise or dropouts in places on the 5.1 mix too?
     
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  3. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    I sure own a hell of a lot of copies of Aqualung now.

    :I'vegotaproblem

    :sigh:
     
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  4. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    The 2011 vinyl from the box was Wilson through and through.
     
  5. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    And especially on the flat transfer of the original stereo mix (all corrected on the new flat transfer in the 2016 reissue).
     
  6. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    It was mastered for vinyl, but not by Peter Mew (never could find by who).
     
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  7. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    But it was Wilson's untampered with mix... unlike the digital media...
     
  8. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Depends on what you call "untampered". :) But yes it certainly sounded better than the Mew masterings.
     
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  9. MichaelCPE

    MichaelCPE Forum Resident

    I never bought the first release because it was far too expensive.

    I have not (yet) bought the new one because I've got sick of the Tull being lossy whilst Yes and King Crimson and more is all now on blu-ray/DVD-Audio.
     
  10. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    Well...it's as untampered as the subsequent vinyl release...
     
  11. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Yes, the last one is a repress of the 2011 boxset vinyl.
     
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  12. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    We have compared the fully decoded 96/24 DTS lossy stream to the lossless masters and they are very close.
    I'd prefer lossless as well but the authoring (for DVD-Audio) and pressing (for Blu-Ray) are much more expensive, so the Tull camp prefered to offer the big booksets instead...
    I guess that in a few years' time, maybe when the series are finished, they'll reissue them on BR without the books.
     
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  13. MichaelCPE

    MichaelCPE Forum Resident

    On my equipment with my ears it isn't close at all. There is a real presence with the hi-rez lossless which makes the lossy seem second rate.

    Perhaps the equipment you used made the lossy sound much better (or perhaps the lossless not as good). Perhaps you didn't sit down, turn it up, and listen to the whole recording. But I much rather the Yes and King Crimson releases that put money into quality sound than great looking booklets (most of which I've not yet read).

    And whilst I like to support artists. There is a point where they are ripping us off so badly that we can't ignore it. Surely Aqualung is an example of this. A future blu-ray release would be great. But for those who have got one or both boxes, having to pay for it yet again (as if buying it for the first time) is far too much.

    Yes. I don't have to buy if I are not happy. But I can vent my frustration :realmad:
     
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  14. folkfreak

    folkfreak The cold blooded penguin

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    I can only thank god that all the tulls are dvds and not bluerays.
     
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  15. folkfreak

    folkfreak The cold blooded penguin

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    To be forced to buy new hardware and waste (not endless) recources of the earth only to play some tracks are ripp of to me, not these fantastic sets at this low prices...
     
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  16. MichaelCPE

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    I'm not saying that the content should not be available on DVD.

    But I find it hard to believe that there would be many people into surround music that don't have a blu ray player.
     
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  17. Plan9

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    I don't dispute there is a difference. The lossy DTS stream has blurred transients and imaging, but it's minimal next to the lossy Dolby stream (especially if you have a DTS 96/24 decoder and not an old one)!
    We actually compared both lossy and lossless masters with Steven Wilson, which you can't directly do if the lossless 5.1 masters haven't been released commercially, as is the case with the Tull reissues (except for Aqualung, but of course there's the Mew mastering on top, so it's not the exact same masters). We felt the harm done to the sound wasn't that significant, relatively speaking. Steven didn't feel his mixes were betrayed by the lossy compression.
    Still, as I said, we'd all prefer lossless sound for sure.
     
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  18. tonewheeltom

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    Although I wish the Tull releases were all on blu ray, I'm glad I get to rip the original mixes for portable listening, just for completist's sake. I still haven't figured out which blu ray drive to get for my iMac.

    I don't notice a huge drop off in quality between my SW Yes blu rays and Crimson and ELP DVD-As, and the DTS 24/96 Tull and Hackett DVDs. However, the lossy DD 5.1 of In The Land Of Grey And Pink was not as robust when cranked. Purely unscientific observation...
     
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  19. culabula

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    Blu-Ray players are cheap and have the distinct advantage of being able to play DVD. Given that Life is a Long Song of Upgrading Hardware, it's not really much of a pain.
     
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  20. Bill Mac

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    I would have to disagree with your assessment that lossy is second rate to lossless. On my system which I feel is a decent one lossy surround on some of my favorite titles sounds excellent. I'm listening to the Division Bell DVD in DTS 5.1 with the volume cranked as I type and it is awesome :)!

    Bill
     
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  21. Hymie the Robot

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    I agree with this too. DTS-CD not so much. But 24 bit hires recordings compressed to 24/96 or 48k sound excellent. The origional recording, remaster, and mix is much more important in the end. However, I always hope for max bitrate and resolution.

    The de-mew'd dts dvd will sound better than the mew'd uncompressed bluray, not even taking the glitches into account. That is my guess...
     
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  22. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Surprisingly, while I've never seen anybody write they prefer the Mew-mastered stereo remix, some have expressed preference for the Mew-mastered 5.1 mix over the 2016 unmastered surround...
     
  23. Hymie the Robot

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    Aqualung or Thick as a Brick? I plan on getting the new Aqualung dvd-v, and I only care about multichannel when it comes to SW mixes...
     
  24. kevnhuys

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    Perhaps you expect lossy to sound much worse...and lo and behold, it does.

    That sort of thing has been known to happen, in audio.
     
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  25. JediJoker

    JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast

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    Confirmation bias. It permeates human existence.
     
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