John Carpenter's "The Thing" is getting a 4K UHD release September 2021

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Zep Fan, Jul 8, 2021.

  1. thegage

    thegage Forum Currency Nerd

    I know, since film is a visual medium, why bother getting the current best visual presentation on disc? /s

    JohnK
     
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  2. RhodyDave125

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    Why bother indeed? It's a constant game of upgrading to the latest and greatest TV, the latest and greatest media type, etc.

    Are you really able to SEE a difference between the Blu-Ray and 4KUHD on the same TV?

    If so, congrats to you, and congrats to your unlimited finances.
     
  3. Linger63

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    Is this a joke or a actual question?.........:confused:o_O
     
  4. RhodyDave125

    RhodyDave125 Streetwalkin' Cheetah

    If you don't have a brand new 4K capable TV, can you see a difference in resolution between blu-ray and a 4K disc?

    Are the blacks 'blacker'?

    Are the colors 'colorier'?

    If your set is 2K, how is a 4K disc going to make a visual difference? The answer is it isn't because it doesn't have the ability to display more than 2k pixels per.

    It's mostly marketing mumbo jumbo - unless you have the gear that can actually produce those resolutions it isn't worth it.

    My blu-ray discs on my 2k 56" Samsung look wonderful, and I feel zero need to go buy a new set and new discs.

    Add to that I can see without my glasses, so it's all subjective anyway.
     
  5. JCRW

    JCRW Forum Resident

    That's one benefit to the new release of The Thing: they have included BOTH a 4K UHD disc if you happen to have a 4K TV and they are providing a Blu-ray disc for folks that have not yet upgraded to the 4K medium. Even though you may be completely satisfied with your current TV (2K), at some point that will kick the bucket and you will need to purchase a new one. Chances are when that happens it will be either a 4K or 8K tv set and you will have a future proof copy of the film to keep you satisfied.

    While it may be subjective regarding picture quality and the need to upgrade, this new release of The Thing is the first time they have gone back to the Original Camera Negative which should make quite a difference even if you are only watching the Blu-ray disc. Of course, this will not be the Be-All-End-All release of the movie either. I see Scream Factory releasing another special edition of this film in 4K and most likely include the original audio mixes that this release has neglected.
     
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  6. Heavy Music

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    It appears the included Blu-ray with this new 4K UHD release is of the old master, so no new benefit is gained with the included Blu-ray.
     
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  7. JCRW

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    All the more reason to hold off another year or so for the inevitable Shout Factory Super Deluxe Edition that will include everything but the kitchen sink. ;)
    I'm personally holding off on this release for that reason alone. Shout has the potential to not only provide the updated 4K scan on a UHD & Blu-ray disc, they will provide the original audio tracks which are equally as important as the picture quality.
     
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  8. thegage

    thegage Forum Currency Nerd

    I’m not sure you got my sarcasm, but Yes, on my system I can clearly see the difference between a DVD, Blu-Ray, and 4K disc. I don’t have unlimited finances and carefully choose what discs to upgrade.

    And if you don’t have a 4K capable system, why are you commenting on the quality of 4K discs? :confused:

    JohnK
     
  9. profholt82

    profholt82 Resident Blowhard

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    What's ironic about this line of discussion is that most of the guys around here have no qualms about buying the same album 5 or 6 times when it gets remastered or an MFSL or an HD Tracks or whatever. But people who love a movie and want to upgrade to a higher definition format are knuckleheads. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Hanglow

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    The people that will argue with you that the colors are colorier -dammit google keeps trying to correct me-are the ones
    that took out a 2nd mortgage on their man cave entertainment system.:shh::eek::rolleyes::cool::agree::whistle::tsk::cop::help::hide::biglaugh:
     
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  11. Linger63

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    You originally asked ..........
    "Are you really able to SEE a difference between the Blu-Ray and 4KUHD on the same TV?"

    Then AFTER my response you change the question and add the bolded proviso's. (with a touch of sarcasm )..:tsk: ;)

    If you asked these exact questions first my response would have been as below.

    IME .......possibly due to the much higher bitrates and less compression of a 4K UHD.....
    I found PQ and AQ to be improved over the equivalent BD.
    (using an OPPO 205 into a Pioneer KRP500M 1080p Plasma)


    Anyway glad you are happy with 2K.........:wave:
     
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  12. mikeyt

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    Do you have a source link about this? I guess it's why the Shout steelbook has dropped in price on eBay.
     
  13. mikeyt

    mikeyt Forum Resident

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    I think the Shout steelbook actually does contain their standard blu-ray as well, the 2016 2K scan supervised by Dean Cundey.

    The Thing [Limited Edition Steelbook] (SOLD OUT) - Blu-ray :: Shout! Factory
     
  14. JCRW

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    No source really, it's just that Shout Factory still have the licensing for The Thing and have a track record of re-releasing titles whenever they see fit. For example, they released Halloween II on Blu-ray 3 times in the last 7 years and all three are different from each other. It will be easy for them to release The Thing as a 4K release because they already did most of the work on their Limited Edition Blu-ray release. They just need to port over the new 4K scan and keep all of the bonus features and audio mixes from the prior Blu-ray and done.
     
  15. Jim B.

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    The Thing is like my version of Aja or Who's Next. It's my favourite film so I collect different versions of it.

    Even if it wasn't, I think getting a really good remaster on BD or 4K is worth it for a loved film. DVD looks a bit dated now with the subsequent formats, although I'm not yet 4K so can't really judge the different between BD and 4K and if it's worth it.
     
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  16. Raylinds

    Raylinds Resident Lake Surfer

    I've never understood why people get critical of how others spend their money. It seems rather petty to me.
     
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  17. daglesj

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    I'll wait for the 12K release...
     
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  18. Isolar801

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    Hopefully the 12k release will have Dolby Batmos....
     
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  19. JCRW

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    And a special commentary track from Jed the wolf dog.
     
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  20. mikeyt

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    Hmm, perhaps. I had thought that releasing in 4K might require a different license than what they already have. And since they previously used Arrow's 4K scan, I also wonder if they would do their own rather than just using Universal's and adding it to their set. I guess we'll find out and if the steelbook has fun art, I'll have to triple dip :laugh:
     
  21. Zep Fan

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    I'll have Dolby Mu
     
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  22. Pizza

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    Why post in a 4K thread if you have no interest in 4K? I don’t get it. It reminds me of Amazon user reviews I’ve read where the posters call blu-rays a con job because they don’t look any better than DVDs and then admit they didn’t watch the blu-ray that their reviewing.
     
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  23. Yes sometimes it does but I’m very selective on films that I’m upgrading unlike with DVD to regular able-Ray where there was a substantial noticeable bump for many titles. The Thing is my favorite John Carpenter film. I have Escape from New York on Blu-ray and I really don’t see ju,ping to 4K,for thst. The jump to 4K for They Live had minimal benefit IMHO.,I mean it looks great but I didn’t see a huge bump.

    it has to be HDR compatible<for the colors to pop the way they should and size DOES matter in this instance. Having said that, I’ve seen black crush less of an issue (again, this also has to do with mastering and authoring as well but the extra resolution does matter in some instances). Having said that, I’m selective. 1P when was it made (I don’t think there would be a huge bump with some films made in the 1920’s-1940’s). Hitchcock’s Vertigomdid benefit from the jump due no the color scheme (samemwith butmto a lesser extent with Rear a window). Many films shot digitally in 2K that are up rezzed, I see less of a big difference there but there is some minimal improvement albeit it is artificially created. For example, even Lord,of the Rings demonstrated both improved image wualitynbut also displayed the limitations of the original,source material.
     
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  24. I think it’s more along the lines of others pushing them to spend the money for things that may not make a difference to them. Some folks will guilt others into doing this. It’s like vinyl vs. CD or high def audio downloads vs. CD. You like what you like and different people have different spending situations.
     
  25. Yeah maybe. I don’t know that there will be that much of a market for this because a lot,of,folks (me) will just keep their Blu-Ray and combine it with the 4K. I gave away my Blu-ray that came with the 4K because it’s the original Blu which looks awful. I do think we will see this with other smaller Carpenter titles like Escape from NY, etc. like we did with They Lice and a prince of Darkness. I’m hoping we get an improved Starman 4K as well from Shout if Columbia won’t release or.
     

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