John Lennon Imagine 2018 Boxed Set (Content and Sound Quality Issues Only!)*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by lennonology, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I believe it's time to split the shipping sagas from discussions about the set's contents.

    Perhaps we could use the following codes when discussing the tracks:

    1.1 - Imagine (Ultimate Mix)
    1.2 - Crippled Inside (Ultimate Mix)
    1.3 - Jealous Guy (Ultimate Mix)
    1.4 - It's So Hard (Ultimate Mix)
    1.5 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Ultimate Mix)
    1.6 - Gimme Some Truth (Ultimate Mix)
    1.7 - Oh My Love (Ultimate Mix)
    1.8 - How Do You Sleep? (Ultimate Mix)
    1.9 - How? (Ultimate Mix)
    1.10 - Oh Yoko! (Ultimate Mix)
    1.11 - Power To The People (Ultimate Mix)
    1.12 - Well (Baby Please Don't Go) (Ultimate Mix)
    1.13 - God Save Us (Ultimate Mix)
    1.14 - Do The Oz (Ultimate Mix)
    1.15 - God Save Oz (Ultimate Mix)
    1.16 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Ultimate Mix)
    2.1 - Imagine (Elements Mix)
    2.2 - Jealous Guy (Elements Mix)
    2.3 - Oh My Love (Elements Mix)
    2.4 - How? (Elements Mix)
    2.5 - Imagine (Demo Version)
    2.6 - Imagine (Take 1 Version)
    2.7 - Crippled Inside (Take 3)
    2.8 - Crippled Inside (Take 6/Alternate Guitar Solo)
    2.9 - Jealous Guy (Take 9)
    2.10 - It's So Hard (Take 6)
    2.11 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 11)
    2.12 - Gimme Some Truth (Take 4)
    2.13 - Oh My Love (Take 6)
    2.14 - How Do You Sleep? (Takes 1 & 2)
    2.15 - How? (Take 31)
    2.16 - Oh Yoko! (Live At The Sheraton Hotel, Bahamas/ 1969)
    2.17 - Power To The People (Take 7)
    2.18 - God Save Us (Demo)
    2.19 - Do The Oz (Take 3)
    2.20 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Alternate Mix)
    3.1 - Imagine (Take 10/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.2 - Crippled Inside (Take 6/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.3 - Jealous Guy (Take 29/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.4 - It's So Hard (Take 11/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.5 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 4 Extended/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.6 - Gimme Some Truth (Take 5/ Extended/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.7 - Oh My Love (Take 20/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.8 - How Do You Sleep? (Take 11/ Extended/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.9 - How? (Take 40/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.10 - Oh Yoko! (Take 1/ Extended/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.11 - Imagine (Take 1/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.12 - Jealous Guy (Take 11/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.13 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 21/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.14 - How Do You Sleep? (Take 1/ Raw Studio Mix)
    3.15 - How Do You Sleep? (Takes 5 & 6/ Raw Studio Mix)
    4.1 - Imagine (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.2 - Crippled Inside (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.3 - Jealous Guy (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.4 - It's So Hard (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.5 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.6 - Gimme Some Truth (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.7 - Oh My Love (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.8 - How Do You Sleep? (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.9 - How? (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    4.10 - Oh Yoko! (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    5.1 - Imagine (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.2 - Crippled Inside (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.3 - Jealous Guy (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.4 - It's So Hard (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.5 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.6 - Gimme Some Truth (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.7 - Oh My Love (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.8 - How Do You Sleep? (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.9 - How? (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.10 - Oh Yoko! (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.11 - Power To The People (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.12 - Well (Baby Please Don't Go) (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.13 - God Save Us (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.14 - Do The Oz (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.15 - God Save Oz (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.16 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Ultimate Remix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.17 - Imagine (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.18 - Crippled Inside (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.19 - Jealous Guy (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.20 - It's So Hard (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.21 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.22 - Gimme Some Truth (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.23 - Oh My Love (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.24 - How Do You Sleep? (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.25 - How? (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.26 - Oh Yoko! (Remastered 2018/ Quadrasonic Mix)
    5.27 - Imagine (Demo/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.28 - Imagine (Take 1/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.29 - Crippled Inside (Take 3/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.30 - Crippled Inside (Take 6/ Alternate Guitar Solo/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.31 - Jealous Guy (Take 9/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.32 - It's So Hard (Take 6/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.33 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 11/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.34 - Gimme Some Truth (Take 4/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.35 - Oh My Love (Take 6/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.36 - How Do You Sleep? (Takes 1 & 2/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.37 - How? (Take 31/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.38 - Oh Yoko! (Live At The Sheraton Hotel Bahamas/ 1969/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.39 - Power To The People (Take 7/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.40 - God Save Us (Demo/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.41 - Do The Oz (Take 3/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    5.42 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Alternate Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.1 - Imagine (Take 10/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.2 - Crippled Inside (Take 6/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.3 - Jealous Guy (Take 29/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.4 - It's So Hard (Take 11/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.5 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 4/ Extended/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.6 - Gimme Some Truth (Take 4/ Extended/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.7 - Oh My Love (Take 20/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.8 - How Do You Sleep? (Take 11/ Extended/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.9 - How? (Take 40/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.10 - Oh Yoko! (Take 1/ Extended/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.11 - Imagine (Take 1/ Raw Studio Mix)
    6.12 - Crippled Inside (Take 2/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.13 - How? (Take 40/ Alternate Vocal/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.14 - How? (Take 7 - 10/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.15 - How Do You Sleep? (Takes 5 & 6/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.16 - How Do You Sleep? (Take 1/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.17 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Take 21/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.18 - Jealous Guy (Take 11/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.19 - Crippled Inside (Take 6/ Alternate Guitar Solo/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.20 - Crippled Inside (Take 2/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.21 - Imagine (Take 1/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.22 - Oh Yoko! (Take 1/ Alternate Vocal/ Raw Studio Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.23 - Imagine (Elements Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.24 - How? (Elements Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.25 - Jealous Guy (Elements Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.26 - Oh My Love (Elements Mix/ 5.1 Surround Sound)
    6.27 - Imagine (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.28 - Crippled Inside (Evolution Documentary/ Mono)
    6.29 - Jealous Guy (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.30 - It's So Hard (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.31 - I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier Mama I Don't Wanna Die (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.32 - Gimme Some Truth (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.33 - Oh My Love (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.34 - How Do You Sleep? (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.35 - How? (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.36 - Oh Yoko! (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.37 - Power To The People (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.38 - Well (Baby Please Don't Go) (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.39 - God Save Us/Oz (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.40 - Do The Oz (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.41 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.42 - Tittenhurst Park (Evolution Documentary/Mono)
    6.43 - Imagine John & Yoko (The Elliot Mintz Interviews/ Mono)

    Fire away!

    Chip Madinger
    www.lennonology.com
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2018
  2. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Here's some supplemental information courtesy of LENNONOLOGY | Volume Two

    2/11/71 IT'S SO HARD - 12 takes (5 complete) Master - Take 10

    2/11/71 WELL, BABY PLEASE DON'T GO - 2 Takes (1 complete) - No Master

    2/11/71 I'M THE GREATEST - 12 takes (3 complete) - No Master

    2/15/71 POWER TO THE PEOPLE - 10 takes (5 complete) Master - Take 10

    2/16/71 I DON'T WANT TO BE A SOLDIER - 26 takes (9 complete) - No Master

    2/16/71 WELL, BABY PLEASE DON'T GO [re-make] - 9 takes (4 complete) - No Master

    5/22/71 GOD SAVE US - 4 takes (3 complete) Master - Take 4

    5/22/71 DO THE OZ - 6 takes (2 complete) Master - Take 6

    5/24/71 JEALOUS GUY - 28 takes (only 4 complete) Master - Take 28

    5/24/71 I DON'T WANT TO BE A SOLDIER [re-make] - 8 takes (3 complete) Master - Take 8

    5/25/71 GIMME SOME TRUTH - 5 takes (1 complete) Master - Take 5

    5/25/71 HOW? - 42 takes (7 complete) Master - edit of Takes 40 & 42

    5/25/71 OH YOKO! - 1 take (1 complete) Master - Take 1

    5/26/71 HOW DO YOU SLEEP? - 11 takes (5 complete) Master - Take 11

    5/26/71 CRIPPLED INSIDE - 6 takes (2 complete) Master - Take 6

    5/27/71 IMAGINE - 11 takes (6 complete) Master - Take 10

    5/28/71 OH MY LOVE - 20 takes (6 complete) Master - Take 20

    10/28/71 HAPPY XMAS - 7 takes (4 complete) Master - Take 6


    Chip Madinger
    www.lennonology.com
     
  3. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I've taken the liberty of copying Janet's review to jump start this thread.

     
  4. Janet

    Janet Forum Resident

    Location:
    United states
    Thanks Chip. Another thing I've noticed in listening to the mono Evolution Documentary mixes is that whenever Yoko has a production note, instead of speaking directly with the musician, she tells JOHN who then relays, "Yoko says the piano should be more..." She and John have complained that during the sessions that Yoko would speak to the musicians and they would ask John if that's what he wanted, but this shows otherwise, at least in the examples here.
     
  5. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I'm looking forward to hearing them, but my set is on the slow boat from Japan!

    As far as the Imagine sessions go, I'm sure that it was out of respect for John (and to be honest, she was somewhat out of her depth) but she was credited as a co-producer, so he must have thought her suggestions bore some merit.

    Chip Madinger
    www.lennonology.com
     
  6. Janet

    Janet Forum Resident

    Location:
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    I agree 100%, as co-producer her suggestions bore merit. But I think she would have felt much less marginalized had she communicated her wants directly with the musicians instead of using John as a conduit.
     
  7. forthlin

    forthlin Forum Resident

    Wow this should be a sticky! Great idea for a cross-reference thread.
     
  8. mikecarrera

    mikecarrera Forum Resident

    Location:
    Babbel
    Thank you Chip for your invitation, this is a "preview" review I did a few months ago but definitely will be updated as some contents were not available then. ANYONE who wants to add info/fix mistakes, etc is welcome. @lennonology Chip, please do your magic here as well, I did my try thanks to your inspiration with your great books, we will try to upgraded it and fix any mistake once the box will be in our hands.

    Imagine 2018 Ultimate Collection Super DeLuxe Box set (4 CD+2 Blu-ray Audio) vs bootlegs and Lennon Anthology

    by Mike Carrera


    This is a quick guide using ONLY the ‘Super Deluxe’ box set 2018 to be released in October, to guide you through the many tracks: which ones are new, which could be and which aren’t? We are only focusing on the alternate material, and not on sound quality, which with this new release of course will surpass any bootlegs or past releases.

    This guide will be updated in October once we get deep access to all the contents!

    The ‘Super Deluxe’ presentation will be the only one having all the audio contents, and some tracks are exclusive for the Blu-Ray Audio discs accompanying this 4 CD box set.

    All discs, including CDs and Blu-rays are divided into the following chapters:

    a)Remixed: Stereo Album, Singles & Extras
    b)Outtakes: Album, Singles & Extras
    c)Quadrosonic Album Remastered (Blu Ray Exclusive)
    d)Raw Studio Mixes: Outtakes-Live
    e)Raw Studio Mixes: Extended album versions-Live
    f) Elements Mixes
    g)Evolution Documentary
    h)Elliot Mintz Interviews with John & Yoko (Blu Ray Exclusive)

    All the contents from the CDs will also be included on the Blu-Ray Audio discs, but the Blu-Rays will get extra features.


    Super DeLuxe Box Set: CDs vs Blu-Ray Audio discs

    CD 1 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 1. Blu Ray Exclusive: 5.1. mixes
    CD 2 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 1 and BLU RAY DISC TWO. Blu Ray Exclusive: Six (6) songs from the ELEMENTS MIXES chapter.
    CD 3 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 2. Blu Ray Exclusive: 5.1 mixes, One song LONGER from the EXTENDED VERSIONS and five (5) exclusive tracks from the OUTTAKES LIVE chapters.
    CD 4 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 2. Blu Ray Exclusive: Six (6) tracks “Singles and Extras” from the EVOLUTION documentary.

    For this quick review we will use only the following chapters or sections:

    ‘OUTTAKES’ is basically a selection of alternate takes from proper sessions or re-make sessions mostly, but also a few from rehearsal sessions, vocal overdubs or alternate vocal tracks.
    ‘RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE’ are basically takes with rough or live vocal guides from John, no overdubs, some are like ‘rehearsal’ takes, others are actual alternate takes/outtakes.
    ‘RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE’ are basically the same takes as used for the final master but with rough vocals or unedited (longer), no overdubs, reverb, tape delays, etc.
    ‘ELEMENTS’ are the multi track tapes combined to showcase some instruments or vocals (sometimes together, others just one element), these have nothing to do with channel separations from 5.1. mixes or Rockband mogg files, which are similar but not the same.
    ‘EVOLUTION’ are collages or montages starting from the demo takes in some cases, early rehearsals and alternate takes up to the final version.

    Note: some songs have the same Take number twice or three times, meaning one comes from a first warm up session, the other from a re-make session starting counting takes again from the beginning, others use the final backing track from that take but with different vocal overdubs.

    You will see the name of the song, take number or description, running time, under which section it will be included and whether it’s new or not.

    This is an attempt to present the tracks in chronological order, as the box set has it all jumbled around, in many cases. And to the surprise of many bootleg collectors, the majority of the tracks on this new official set has never been released before!


    2018 DeLuxe Box Set vs bootlegs and Lennon Anthology

    IMAGINE

    Imagine (Original demo recorded at Ascot) 03:17 OUTTAKES
    NEW *Different from the ‘other’ demo circulating on bootlegs (3:36) which was also used (but edited) on the 1988 Warner Bros soundtrack "Imagine - The Movie" and can be seen in the ‘Gimme Some Truth’ documentary.

    Imagine (Take 1) 03:25 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    Also known as "Version 1" on bootlegs. The Anthology version lacks the final comment from John lasting five seconds less (3:20), while the bootleg version is complete and with the same length of 3:25. So nothing new, but it will be little longer than the Anthology version.

    Imagine (Take 1) 03:05 OUTTAKES
    This is the re-make session, also known as “Version 2”. Lasting 3:12 on bootlegs, including some chat after the take, but it actually ends at 3:05. Nothing new here, apparently.

    Imagine (Take 10) 03:12 OUTTAKES NEW

    Imagine 06:00 EVOLUTION NEW

    Imagine (Strings only) 02:13 ELEMENTS NEW
    Similar to some 5.1. mixes and Rockband multi tracks, but this mix is a new one


    CRIPPLED INSIDE

    Crippled Inside (Take 2) 05:23 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW From Rehearsal Session? (Take 2 from the session that gave us the final version is available on bootlegs but it’s different from this "Live outtake")

    Crippled Inside (Take 6 alternate guitar solo) 03:50 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW From Rehearsal Session?

    Crippled Inside (Take 3) 03:50 OUTTAKES
    NEW Re-make Session? (a Different Take 3 is on bootleg, including engineer’s slate "Take Three", and lasting no longer than 1 minute because it's a breakdown take, so now we have a different Take 3, maybe one comes from the “Rehearsal/Live sessions” and the other from the ‘proper’ session?)

    Crippled Inside (Take 6 alternate guitar solo) 03:47 OUTTAKES
    NEW Re-make Session? (on bootlegs we have two different takes with this same length (3:47), one described as "Take 17" but without any slate it’s doubtful we are actually hearing a seventeenth take, so could be this Take 6, and the other described as "Rough Take", both with "alternate guitar solo", we will have to wait to get this upcoming official set to be able to really compare and decide.)

    Crippled Inside (Take 6) 03:50 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS-LIVE
    NEW From Re-make Session?

    Crippled Inside 03:59 EVOLUTION NEW

    Crippled Inside (upright bass & drums) 03:37 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    JEALOUS GUY

    Jealous Guy (Take 9) 02:16 OUTTAKES NEW

    Jealous Guy (Take 11) 04:27 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE NEW

    Jealous Guy (Take 29) 04:22 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS
    NEW (a very similar but not the same as the official released version is available on bootlegs as "Take 7 Vocal Overdub", and also different from the take on the Anthology box set)

    Jealous Guy 06:11 EVOLUTION NEW

    Jealous Guy (Piano, bass & drums) 04:12 ELEMENTS NEW


    IT’S SO HARD

    It's So Hard (Take 6) 02:33 OUTTAKES NEW

    It's So Hard (Take 11) 02:42 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS NEW

    It's So Hard 06:50 EVOLUTION NEW

    It's So Hard (Strings) 00:57 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW


    I DON'T WANNA BE A SOLDIER MAMA I DON'T WANNA DIE

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 21) 05:17 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE NEW From the first session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 25) 04:34 OUTTAKES NEW From the first session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 4 - extended) 09:36 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE (CD 3 will get an edited 7:56 version)
    NEW From the Re-make session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier 07:06 EVOLUTION NEW

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Guitar, Bass & Drums) 06:08 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    GIMME SOME TRUTH

    Gimme Some Truth (Take 4 – extended) 03:40 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS
    NEW (Only the first three takes are available on bootleg in "Raw" form with a live vocal)

    Gimme Some Truth (Take 4) 03:28 OUTTAKES NEW With an alternate vocal overdub.

    Gimme Some Truth 05:12 EVOLUTION NEW

    Gimme Some Truth 03:16 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW


    OH MY LOVE

    Oh My Love (Take 6) 02:44 OUTTAKES
    Already on bootleg, with more extra dialogue and post rehearsal.

    Oh My Love (Take 20) 02:47 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE
    NEW (Partially available on bootleg- less than 10 seconds).

    Oh My Love 07:31 EVOLUTION NEW

    Oh My Love (Vocals only) 01:56 ELEMENTS NEW Similar as from the Rockband multi tracks, but this mix is a new one.


    HOW DO YOU SLEEP?

    How Do You Sleep? (Take 1) 08:40 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    From First Session? Already on Bootlegs, maybe we will get little more post-song chat banter.

    How Do You Sleep? (Takes 5 & 6) 07:03 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    Partially NEW- From First Session? (Takes 5 (a false start) and Take 6 are already on the Anthology boxed set, but Take 6 has a fadeout there, so we will get around 2 minutes more of unheard stuff).

    How Do You Sleep? (Takes 1 & 2) 05:57 OUTTAKES
    NEW From Re-make Session? (Do not confuse this with the "Rehearsal takes 1 and 2" on bootleg, those were rehearsals more than proper takes).

    How Do You Sleep? (Take 11 – extended) 06:00 RAW MIXES EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE
    NEW From Re-make Session (even though we have two outtakes very close to the final version on bootleg, none of them are exactly 6:00, one is 6:46 and the other known as "Alternate Vocal B" is 6:13, maybe we will get that with early fade out? We will find out in October.)

    How Do You Sleep? 07:34 EVOLUTION NEW

    How Do You Sleep? (Strings) 05:03 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    HOW?

    How? (Takes 7-10) 06:18 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    How? (Take 31) 03:47 OUTTAKES NEW

    How? (Take 40 alternate vocal) 03:46 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    How? (Take 40) 03:55 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE NEW

    How? 08:45 EVOLUTION NEW

    How? (Strings only) 03:36 ELEMENTS NEW Already available from the Rockband multi tracks but this mix will be a new one.



    OH YOKO!

    Oh Yoko! (from Bed Peace Sheraton Hotel, Bahamas 1969) 05:00 OUTTAKES
    Partially NEW (From the aborted Bed-In in Bahamas, wrongly listed before as being from the Montreal Bed Peace or a home demo from Surrey) 4:36 of it is already available, so now we will get the full rendition.

    Oh Yoko! (Take 1 tracking vocal) 06:14 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    Oh Yoko! (Take 1 – extended) 06:15 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE NEW

    Oh Yoko! 03:56 EVOLUTION NEW

    Oh Yoko! (Acoustic) 04:16 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW


    SINGLES AND EXTRAS

    Power To The People (Take 7) 03:25 OUTTAKES NEW

    Power To The People 05:29 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    God Save Us (Original demo) 02:57 OUTTAKES
    Partially NEW (the version on bootleg runs only 2:00 so now we will get the full demo). A studio outtake with John’s lead vocal will also be available on CD 1/Blu Ray 1 under "Remixed Singles and Extras", which is the same version as on ‘Lennon Anthology’.

    God Save Us/Oz 08:36 – EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Do The Oz (Take 3) (Michael Ramsden vocal) 06:42 OUTTAKES
    NEW (with Ringo on drums and Klaus on bass?, one of the highlights?)

    Do The Oz 02:18 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Alternate Mix) 03:41 OUTTAKES NEW (the alternate mixes circulating among collectors do not last as long as this one)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 04:05 – EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Well (Baby Please Don't Go) 03:06 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY
    NEW A complete studio outtake will be available also on CD 1/Blu Ray 1 under "Remixed Singles and Extras", which is the same version as on ‘Lennon Anthology’.

    Tittenhurst Park 17:16- EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY
    NEW A collage of improvisations and studio chats from the sessions, similar to the ‘Fly on the Wall’ disc from "Let it Be... Naked". Including snippets of ‘Mind Games’ (from the Oh My Love session and already available, even on bootleg video), and new ones: "My Babe" (Willie Dixon) and "What Am I living For?" (Chuck Willis).
     
  9. applejam101

    applejam101 Humble Fan

    Location:
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    Mike just a comment on your choice of colors: I am seeing a 3D effect. The red looks closer, the Blue looks furthest away. Green and white in the middle. Weird.
     
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  10. mikecarrera

    mikecarrera Forum Resident

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    Power to the People Take 7 is FANTASTIC!!!!
     
  11. mikecarrera

    mikecarrera Forum Resident

    Location:
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    Thank you, appreciate, looks ok on my PC but maybe not on all, so here is the ALL Black version:


    Imagine 2018 Ultimate Collection Super DeLuxe Box set (4 CD+2 Blu-ray Audio) vs bootlegs and Lennon Anthology

    by Mike Carrera


    This is a quick guide using ONLY the ‘Super Deluxe’ box set 2018 to be released in October, to guide you through the many tracks: which ones are new, which could be and which aren’t? We are only focusing on the alternate material, and not on sound quality, which with this new release of course will surpass any bootlegs or past releases.

    This guide will be updated in October once we get deep access to all the contents!

    The ‘Super Deluxe’ presentation will be the only one having all the audio contents, and some tracks are exclusive for the Blu-Ray Audio discs accompanying this 4 CD box set.

    All discs, including CDs and Blu-rays are divided into the following chapters:

    a)Remixed: Stereo Album, Singles & Extras
    b)Outtakes: Album, Singles & Extras
    c)Quadrosonic Album Remastered (Blu Ray Exclusive)
    d)Raw Studio Mixes: Outtakes-Live
    e)Raw Studio Mixes: Extended album versions-Live
    f) Elements Mixes
    g)Evolution Documentary
    h)Elliot Mintz Interviews with John & Yoko (Blu Ray Exclusive)

    All the contents from the CDs will also be included on the Blu-Ray Audio discs, but the Blu-Rays will get extra features.


    Super DeLuxe Box Set: CDs vs Blu-Ray Audio discs

    CD 1 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 1. Blu Ray Exclusive: 5.1. mixes
    CD 2 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 1 and BLU RAY DISC TWO. Blu Ray Exclusive: Six (6) songs from the ELEMENTS MIXES chapter.
    CD 3 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 2. Blu Ray Exclusive: 5.1 mixes, One song LONGER from the EXTENDED VERSIONS and five (5) exclusive tracks from the OUTTAKES LIVE chapters.
    CD 4 is also included on BLU RAY DISC 2. Blu Ray Exclusive: Six (6) tracks “Singles and Extras” from the EVOLUTION documentary.

    For this quick review we will use only the following chapters or sections:

    ‘OUTTAKES’ is basically a selection of alternate takes from proper sessions or re-make sessions mostly, but also a few from rehearsal sessions, vocal overdubs or alternate vocal tracks.
    ‘RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE’ are basically takes with rough or live vocal guides from John, no overdubs, some are like ‘rehearsal’ takes, others are actual alternate takes/outtakes.
    ‘RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE’ are basically the same takes as used for the final master but with rough vocals or unedited (longer), no overdubs, reverb, tape delays, etc.
    ‘ELEMENTS’ are the multi track tapes combined to showcase some instruments or vocals (sometimes together, others just one element), these have nothing to do with channel separations from 5.1. mixes or Rockband mogg files, which are similar but not the same.
    ‘EVOLUTION’ are collages or montages starting from the demo takes in some cases, early rehearsals and alternate takes up to the final version.

    Note: some songs have the same Take number twice or three times, meaning one comes from a first warm up session, the other from a re-make session starting counting takes again from the beginning, others use the final backing track from that take but with different vocal overdubs.

    You will see the name of the song, take number or description, running time, under which section it will be included and whether it’s new or not.

    This is an attempt to present the tracks in chronological order, as the box set has it all jumbled around, in many cases. And to the surprise of many bootleg collectors, the majority of the tracks on this new official set has never been released before!


    2018 DeLuxe Box Set vs bootlegs and Lennon Anthology

    IMAGINE

    Imagine (Original demo recorded at Ascot) 03:17 OUTTAKES
    NEW *Different from the ‘other’ demo circulating on bootlegs (3:36) which was also used (but edited) on the 1988 Warner Bros soundtrack "Imagine - The Movie" and can be seen in the ‘Gimme Some Truth’ documentary.

    Imagine (Take 1) 03:25 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    Also known as "Version 1" on bootlegs. The Anthology version lacks the final comment from John lasting five seconds less (3:20), while the bootleg version is complete and with the same length of 3:25. So nothing new, but it will be little longer than the Anthology version.

    Imagine (Take 1) 03:05 OUTTAKES
    This is the re-make session, also known as “Version 2”. Lasting 3:12 on bootlegs, including some chat after the take, but it actually ends at 3:05. Nothing new here, apparently.

    Imagine (Take 10) 03:12 OUTTAKES NEW

    Imagine 06:00 EVOLUTION NEW

    Imagine (Strings only) 02:13 ELEMENTS NEW
    Similar to some 5.1. mixes and Rockband multi tracks, but this mix is a new one


    CRIPPLED INSIDE

    Crippled Inside (Take 2) 05:23 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW From Rehearsal Session? (Take 2 from the session that gave us the final version is available on bootlegs but it’s different from this "Live outtake")

    Crippled Inside (Take 6 alternate guitar solo) 03:50 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW From Rehearsal Session?

    Crippled Inside (Take 3) 03:50 OUTTAKES
    NEW Re-make Session? (a Different Take 3 is on bootleg, including engineer’s slate "Take Three", and lasting no longer than 1 minute because it's a breakdown take, so now we have a different Take 3, maybe one comes from the “Rehearsal/Live sessions” and the other from the ‘proper’ session?)

    Crippled Inside (Take 6 alternate guitar solo) 03:47 OUTTAKES
    NEW Re-make Session? (on bootlegs we have two different takes with this same length (3:47), one described as "Take 17" but without any slate it’s doubtful we are actually hearing a seventeenth take, so could be this Take 6, and the other described as "Rough Take", both with "alternate guitar solo", we will have to wait to get this upcoming official set to be able to really compare and decide.)

    Crippled Inside (Take 6) 03:50 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS-LIVE
    NEW From Re-make Session?

    Crippled Inside 03:59 EVOLUTION NEW

    Crippled Inside (upright bass & drums) 03:37 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    JEALOUS GUY

    Jealous Guy (Take 9) 02:16 OUTTAKES NEW

    Jealous Guy (Take 11) 04:27 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE NEW

    Jealous Guy (Take 29) 04:22 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS
    NEW (a very similar but not the same as the official released version is available on bootlegs as "Take 7 Vocal Overdub", and also different from the take on the Anthology box set)

    Jealous Guy 06:11 EVOLUTION NEW

    Jealous Guy (Piano, bass & drums) 04:12 ELEMENTS NEW


    IT’S SO HARD

    It's So Hard (Take 6) 02:33 OUTTAKES NEW

    It's So Hard (Take 11) 02:42 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS NEW

    It's So Hard 06:50 EVOLUTION NEW

    It's So Hard (Strings) 00:57 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW


    I DON'T WANNA BE A SOLDIER MAMA I DON'T WANNA DIE

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 21) 05:17 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE NEW From the first session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 25) 04:34 OUTTAKES NEW From the first session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Take 4 - extended) 09:36 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE (CD 3 will get an edited 7:56 version)
    NEW From the Re-make session.

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier 07:06 EVOLUTION NEW

    I Don't Wanna Be A Soldier (Guitar, Bass & Drums) 06:08 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    GIMME SOME TRUTH

    Gimme Some Truth (Take 4 – extended) 03:40 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS
    NEW (Only the first three takes are available on bootleg in "Raw" form with a live vocal)

    Gimme Some Truth (Take 4) 03:28 OUTTAKES NEW With an alternate vocal overdub.

    Gimme Some Truth 05:12 EVOLUTION NEW

    Gimme Some Truth 03:16 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW



    OH MY LOVE

    Oh My Love (Take 6) 02:44 OUTTAKES
    Already on bootleg, with more extra dialogue and post rehearsal.

    Oh My Love (Take 20) 02:47 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE
    NEW (Partially available on bootleg- less than 10 seconds).

    Oh My Love 07:31 EVOLUTION NEW

    Oh My Love (Vocals only) 01:56 ELEMENTS NEW Similar as from the Rockband multi tracks, but this mix is a new one.



    HOW DO YOU SLEEP?

    How Do You Sleep? (Take 1) 08:40 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    From First Session? Already on Bootlegs, maybe we will get little more post-song chat banter.

    How Do You Sleep? (Takes 5 & 6) 07:03 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE
    Partially NEW- From First Session? (Takes 5 (a false start) and Take 6 are already on the Anthology boxed set, but Take 6 has a fadeout there, so we will get around 2 minutes more of unheard stuff).

    How Do You Sleep? (Takes 1 & 2) 05:57 OUTTAKES
    NEW From Re-make Session? (Do not confuse this with the "Rehearsal takes 1 and 2" on bootleg, those were rehearsals more than proper takes).

    How Do You Sleep? (Take 11 – extended) 06:00 RAW MIXES EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE
    NEW From Re-make Session (even though we have two outtakes very close to the final version on bootleg, none of them are exactly 6:00, one is 6:46 and the other known as "Alternate Vocal B" is 6:13, maybe we will get that with early fade out? We will find out in October.)

    How Do You Sleep? 07:34 EVOLUTION NEW

    How Do You Sleep? (Strings) 05:03 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW


    HOW?

    How? (Takes 7-10) 06:18 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    How? (Take 31) 03:47 OUTTAKES NEW

    How? (Take 40 alternate vocal) 03:46 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    How? (Take 40) 03:55 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE NEW

    How? 08:45 EVOLUTION NEW

    How? (Strings only) 03:36 ELEMENTS NEW Already available from the Rockband multi tracks but this mix will be a new one.



    OH YOKO!

    Oh Yoko! (from Bed Peace Sheraton Hotel, Bahamas 1969) 05:00 OUTTAKES
    Partially NEW (From the aborted Bed-In in Bahamas, wrongly listed before as being from the Montreal Bed Peace or a home demo from Surrey) 4:36 of it is already available, so now we will get the full rendition.

    Oh Yoko! (Take 1 tracking vocal) 06:14 RAW STUDIO OUTTAKES LIVE *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE
    NEW

    Oh Yoko! (Take 1 – extended) 06:15 RAW STUDIO EXTENDED ALBUM VERSIONS LIVE NEW

    Oh Yoko! 03:56 EVOLUTION NEW

    Oh Yoko! (Acoustic) 04:16 ELEMENTS *BLU RAY EXCLUSIVE NEW


    SINGLES AND EXTRAS

    Power To The People (Take 7) 03:25 OUTTAKES NEW

    Power To The People 05:29 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    God Save Us (Original demo) 02:57 OUTTAKES
    Partially NEW (the version on bootleg runs only 2:00 so now we will get now the full demo). A studio outtake with John’s lead vocal will also be available on CD 1/Blu Ray 1 under "Remixed Singles and Extras", which is the same version as on ‘Lennon Anthology’.

    God Save Us/Oz 08:36 – EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Do The Oz (Take 3) (Michael Ramsden vocal) 06:42 OUTTAKES

    NEW (with Ringo on drums and Klaus on bass?, one of the highlights?)

    Do The Oz 02:18 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (Alternate Mix) 03:41 OUTTAKES NEW (the alternate mixes circulating among collectors do not last as long as this one)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 04:05 – EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY NEW

    Well (Baby Please Don't Go) 03:06 –EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY
    NEW A complete studio outtake will be available also on CD 1/Blu Ray 1 under "Remixed Singles and Extras", which is the same version as on ‘Lennon Anthology’.

    Tittenhurst Park 17:16- EVOLUTION *BLU-RAY ONLY

    NEW A collage of improvisations and studio chats from the sessions, similar to the ‘Fly on the Wall’ disc from "Let it Be... Naked". Including snippets of ‘Mind Games’ (from the Oh My Love session and already available, even on bootleg video), and new ones: "My Babe" (Willie Dixon) and "What Am I living For?" (Chuck Willis).
     
  12. applejam101

    applejam101 Humble Fan

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    I liked the colors...its just weird seeing text in 3D without 3D glasses. Maybe it's all my medications. o_O
     
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  13. Paul H

    Paul H Forum Resident

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    You have the same affliction I do. Ten years after I identified it, I'm up for cataract surgery. Hopefully you don't have the same issue.
     
  14. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Pick up a fast car, burn my name in the road

    So what are the 5.1 mixes like? Anynody know yet?
     
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  15. Mister President

    Mister President Forum Resident

    Highlights for me (streaming):

    Power to the People (Take 7)
    Jealous Guy (Elements Mix)
    Happy Xmas (War is Over) (Alternative Mix)
    Oh Yoko (Take 1)
    Crippled Inside (Evolution Documentary)


    I still don't like the Imagine song in any rendition. :laugh:

    All sounds good though.
     
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  16. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

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    The "Evolution" mixes are wonderful for those of us with short attention spans. They are masterfully-produced vignettes drawn from the multi-tracks, the Nagras (which is why they are in mono) and interview material spanning from 1971 to 1980. Although many of the elements can be identified, they will be impossible to completely disassemble (for those of us with the affliction that challenges us to do so) as large chunks are simply the multi-tracks with varying combinations of instruments in isolation. Well done!

    Chip Madinger
    www.lennonology.com
     
  17. applejam101

    applejam101 Humble Fan

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    Thanks Chip for answering my question before I got to ask it.
     
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  18. rrbbkk

    rrbbkk Forum Resident

    Imagine too much IMAGINE. Imagine no longer.
     
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  19. Janet

    Janet Forum Resident

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    DR 8 (for both discs 1 and 3. I haven't checked the others)
     
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  20. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003 Thread Starter

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    St. Louis, MO
    I've never been one to rely on the numbers (I don't even know how to extract them on a Mac), but out of curiosity, how do these compare to the 1999 re-mix?

    Chip Madinger
    www.lennonology.com
     
  21. Janet

    Janet Forum Resident

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    United states
    The 1999 remix is DR 10
     
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  22. ponkine

    ponkine Forum Resident

    Mmmm that doesn't look good

    :shake:
     
  23. crossroads69

    crossroads69 Forum Resident

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    Thanks for that Chip, think I will start my Imagine journey with the Evolution mixes :)
     
  24. ponkine

    ponkine Forum Resident

    Just listened to 'Jealous Guy' new mix ...

    I compared it with the MFSL version
    And I can't believe it. There's LESS PIANO now.

    On the MFSL is on the centre, with great presence and feel. On the new mix is more panned (!!) and with way less presence and feeling. All the magic is gone. Acoustic guitar and bass leave the piano quite buried in the mix.

    A HUGE letdown for me


    John's voice and Nicky Hopkins' piano should've been THE 2 most important things in the mix

    :thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow

     
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  25. peteham

    peteham Forum Resident

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    When you write MFSL, you mean the 2000 remix, correct?
     

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