Joni Mitchell: "Court and Spark" Song by Song Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Parachute Woman, Sep 19, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Socalguy

    Socalguy Forum Resident

    Location:
    CA
    Wow, missed that. Studio or live?
     
  2. Fender Relic

    Fender Relic Forum Resident

    Location:
    PennsylBama
    OK, listening casually this evening as I'm going thru boxes of LP's and it's sounding better already. I'm not sure if Quad discs are supposed to sound better on a regular 2 speaker system than a regular issue LP but this one seems to. It still has some crackle and probably needs a deep clean on a good RCM. I'm not sure which song we're on but side 1 was good.
     
  3. Victor/Victrola

    Victor/Victrola Makng shure its write

    "Help Me" was the first Joni Mitchell 45 I bought - and I think it was also the last. I bought C&S not long after, and became a fan in a big way. Even though Mitchell had hit singles, I was a fan of her albums. Each has its merits and are works of art - not just collections of songs. If she is anything, Mitchell is a musical artist, not an artist that makes music (if that makes sense). C&S remains one of my favorite Joni albums, sometimes I like it more than Blue, sometimes Blue wins out - depends on my mood.

    The song Court & Spark kicks off this elegant and mature album from a woman who is finally seeing her talents come into full bloom. She's no longer this smoke filled coffee house folk singer, she's taking chances, challenging her listeners, her band and even herself with this jazzy hybrid music style. Mitchell is so - unique - I guess is the right word - that it's almost impossible to categorize her music. C&S stretches the limits of what folk music could be and never looks back. As far as the title track goes, it really sets up the mood perfectly for what's to come. The arrangement is sparse and her phrasing is definitely rooted in jazz, making it an unusual choice for a lead-off track, but in the case of this album, it's perfect.
     
  4. Manapua

    Manapua Forum Resident

    Location:
    Honolulu
    From the Shadows & Light album:

     
  5. Tuco

    Tuco Senior Member

    Location:
    Pacific NW, USA
    Just like For the Roses, this album is imprinted in my DNA. How many times have I listened to it over the years? Not enough actually; I'm off to spin it right now. :)

    A couple of years ago, on a whim, I bought a copy of the Quad version. Oh, what a nice surprise to hear all the mix variations. All of you fans of this album owe it to yourselves to get a copy of the Quad.
     
  6. Nightfly68

    Nightfly68 Forum Resident

    Location:
    NC
    I can't remember exactly when I first heard this album but I do remember how the first few chords of Court and Spark hooked me. This album is an absolute masterpiece.
     
    Parachute Woman and Comet01 like this.
  7. audiotom

    audiotom Senior Member

    Location:
    New Orleans La USA
    Max Bennett is an unsung hero on Joni's triumphant jazz transition
    Much like John Guerin
    Both understated - lovely use of space - just hang those notes out there

    He plays throughout C&S, Hissing and Hejira

    Yes Hejira
    Max plays very tasteful understated jacoesque (ha ha) bass on Song for Sharon and Furry Sings the Blues
    Jaco plays on Coyote, Heijira, Black Cow and Refuge of the Roads
    Chuck Domanico - double bass on Blue Hotel Room

    Joni used the bass line as a driving pulse and in counterpoint
    I recall an interview with Max who is a first call LA studio musician - that Joni gave him a lot of license, encouragement and was focused on really capturing the true essence of a song

    Kudos to the unsung hero Max
     
  8. audiotom

    audiotom Senior Member

    Location:
    New Orleans La USA
    Here is the 2011 interview - very interesting insider view

    Joni Mitchell Library - A Conversation with Max Bennett: JoniMitchell.com, September 12, 2011


    Some excerpts

    MB: There wasn't anything to read! She played, we made sketches of what we needed - she pretty much had it set what she wanted to do on a lot of her things. Tom wrote some background stuff too for her; you know he was very good at that. I didn't have much to do with that. I just made up my own bass parts, and everyone else made up theirs and we just worked it out. That's the way it happened.

    MB: I thought so. Of course she'd done many things acoustically before that and I think that probably gave her the experience in the studio, down the road, do exactly what she wanted to do. She was very sharp about all that. Even though she couldn't read a note, in every other respect there was nothing amateurish about her approach at all. She really didn't understand harmonic structures as far as talking about this or about that; she just played and we sketched out what we needed and made up our own parts as we went.

    MB: Yes, we did. We usually spent two weeks before the tour rehearsing. It was interesting because the music was so elusive harmonically that if we were away from it for more than two weeks we usually had to run it again in rehearsal because it was so unique that we really needed to bone up on it again, just to make sure we had all our ducks in a row, you know. A friend of mine who builds basses wanted to do an interview with me recently and he wanted me to sit down and play with the album along to Help Me, and I had to get the album out and run through it; if you held a gun to my head I couldn't play it just from memory!
     
  9. audiotom

    audiotom Senior Member

    Location:
    New Orleans La USA
    Court and Spark

    Those haunting piano chords

    She is taken by a drifter
    His insight, lack of pretenses and world of possibilities entice her

    The physical attraction over powering at times
    And his deeper self all the more alluring.

    "His eyes were the color of the sand and sea
    You know the more he talked to me the more he reached me"


    But she restrains herself from the siren like lure

    "But I couldn't let go of LA
    City of the fallen angels"


    What a contrast here
    Rather than the temptation with him being the sin
    His character is potrayed uncorrupted and pure
    And she remains in the jaded world by the sea.

    The last chords close
    Like a chapter in a book

    Distraction no more

    Then
    Help me I think I'm falling....

    Her life moves on
     
  10. mkolesa

    mkolesa Forum Resident

    What can be said? Such a brilliant album and such an amazing lead in... Where does that husky voice come from??? In fact she lays out the theme of the album explicitly: 'I cleared myself, I sacrificed my blues'. What else do you need to know? And if you've ever lived in LA, to hear it referred to as 'City of the fallen angels' will resonate so deeply and tie in to the unresolved ending... Amen!
     
    Tommy Jay and Parachute Woman like this.
  11. Black Thumb

    Black Thumb Yah Mo B There

    Location:
    Reno, NV
    The 3 studio albums starting with this one are as essential to me as oxygen, so comes my usual conundrum ... how to do them justice with mere words on a screen.

    I actually came to Court after Hissing. I'd known and loved the two hits since '75 or so, but didn't buy the album (on cassette) until 1984, at age 19.

    It was on an overnight bus trip from Augusta, Georgia to New Orleans that year that I really fell madly in love with it. Rolling through the night with those songs repeatedly pouring forth from my Walkman was a transcendent experience.

    While I love the music that came before, I've never been able to connect with it on as deep a level as Court / Hissing / Hejira. It's as if her turning 30 somehow brought forth an alchemy in her work that just works on me.

    Man, just thinking about the title track gives me goosebumps. The instant those opening piano chords sound, I'm immediately in a different place and can't wait to spend the next 37 minutes there.
     
  12. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

    Location:
    Perth Australia
    There are a few on later albums. As well as the portion of Unchained Melody, the album contains "(You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care", which was sung by Elvis Presley - not sure who wrote it. On Turbulent Indigo she does "How Do You Stop", written by Dan Hartman and Charlie Midnight and originally done by James Brown. On Chalk Mark, or it might be Night Ride Home, she does that old country standard "Cool Water".
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2018
  13. Dr. Pepper

    Dr. Pepper What, me worry?

    Picked this album at a swap meet with Blue for a quarter each! Best half a buck I've ever spent on meeting a new artist! I've been in love with Joni and have followed her on all of her musical travels ever since!
     
    Parachute Woman likes this.
  14. chrisblower

    chrisblower Norfolk n'good

    The opener is my favourite track. Just beautiful. And Dylan got the Nobel prize!
     
    Parachute Woman likes this.
  15. chrisblower

    chrisblower Norfolk n'good

  16. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

    Location:
    Australia
    Are you saying she got nobbled?
     
  17. Black Thumb

    Black Thumb Yah Mo B There

    Location:
    Reno, NV
    With me, it's often the little things that mean a lot and a couple on the title track:

    The way she repeats "I worry sometimes", in this sort of exasperated but resigned tone.

    Those patented guitar moans from the legendary Larry Carlton.

    The mention of People's Park. These days it's probably not a place to go if you want to fall in love with a dashing busker, but in my experience it's not the danger zone it's been made out to be. If the homeless freak you out, it's certainly a no-go.
     
  18. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    USA
    I'm so glad to see this level of engagement and interest for Court and Spark! Thank you for all the wonderful posts so far. I wanted to pose a question to the group: so far, I have been posting one song a day. Do you like this speed or would you prefer more time to discuss each song before we move on (say, 2 days)? At the rate I am going, making it through all of Joni's albums will take until at least next February but I am happy to slow things down if people prefer. Or, if you want to keep going at this clip that would be fine as well. Just let me know if you have a preference!

    But this morning I post the second track on the album:

    Track 2: "Help Me"


    Help me
    I think I'm falling
    In love again
    When I get that crazy feeling
    I know I'm in trouble again
    I'm in trouble
    'Cause you're a rambler and a gambler
    And a sweet talking ladies man
    And you love your lovin'
    But not like you love your freedom

    Help me
    I think I'm falling
    In love too fast
    It's got me hoping for the future
    And worrying about the past
    'Cause I've seen some hot hot blazes
    Come down to smoke and ash
    We love our lovin'
    But not like we love our freedom

    Didn't it feel good
    We were sitting there talking
    Or lying there not talking
    Didn't it feel good
    You dance with the lady
    With the hole in her stocking
    Didn't it feel good
    Didn't it feel good

    Help me
    I think I'm falling
    In love with you
    Are you going to let me go there by myself
    That's such a lonely thing to do
    Both of us flirting around
    Flirting and flirting
    Hurting too
    We love our lovin'
    But not like we love our freedom

    * 'Help Me' was Joni's most successfully charting single, reaching #7 on the Billboard Hot 100.
     
    Chrome_Head likes this.
  19. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    USA
    Help Me
    'Help Me' is a perfect single for Joni and a wonderful confection of pop/jazz bliss. Every element of the song comes together so well and it just has a feeling to it...I can understand why it was so appealing to listeners of all stripes--including people who'd never listened to or cared for Joni in the past. The melody is sweet and silky, the arrangement is immaculate (the way those horns come in so subtly and bring in the tension!), Joni's voice is positively sumptuous and the lyrics reflect on a lot of classic "Joni themes" in a way that is both clear and interesting.

    "'Cause I've seen some hot hot blazes
    Come down to smoke and ash"

    The reflection of someone who has been through this before. I am particularly smitten with what I suppose is the "bridge" (the 'Didn't it feel good' verse). Beautiful countermelody, I love the "Or lying there not talking" line and what it implies (;)) and the choruses of "Didn't it feel good" with Joni dragging out that beautiful "Goooood" over the top sounds simply perfect. It makes your insides feel warm and lovely. It's a song with obvious commercial potential, but it is still so perfectly 'Joni' and not a concession by her at all. Success because it was worthy of it, not because she went chasing it.
     
  20. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

    Location:
    Perth Australia
    I am happy with the current pace. But really, it's up to you. If it becomes a chore to deal with one song per day, just slow down.
     
    Fender Relic and Parachute Woman like this.
  21. VU Master

    VU Master Senior Member

    One of the greatest, most perfect albums ever, one of the best in my collection. If you, like me, were a JM fan in the late 60’s and early 70's and enjoyed her previous albums, chances are you loved this one. I sure did, from the first listening, without hesitation, with no qualifications. I’ve listened to it at least one or two hundred times, and I think I know every word and note on it. I love each song on it—a lot.

    Forgive me if I don’t write lots of long, introspective posts here like I’ve done on the last two albums, but I think we’ll be seeing lots of great commentary from others. And maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t there will be much controversy or strong disagreement among posters. This isn’t a polarizing group of songs, though some might feel it was a little commercial after Blue and For The Roses. (I don’t, but I’m curious to see what others might say about that.)

    I enjoyed many songs on Joni’s earlier albums but the arrangements were a little bare at times. For The Roses was a partial move towards more complex instrumentation, but then this album was a huge leap forward—and it all just came together beautifully.

    I hadn’t heard the title track in a while but listening to it on headphones tonight (I’m traveling now) it sounds as wonderful as ever, maybe better. The band is fabulous, and they complement her so well on this song. Listening to it on PW’s Youtube link, my only disappointment was that the end didn’t segue into Help Me the way my ears expected it to.

    (I never felt that "People's Park" specifically referred to the famous place in Berkeley. I thought it was just an apocryphal term she used that fit the story.)

    As for the pace of the thread, I'd vote to slow things down for a while if the volume of posts remains high, so we have more time to absorb other comments and respond to them. But either way is fine, this is already a big commitment for our generous hostess!
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2018
    Planbee and Parachute Woman like this.
  22. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

    Location:
    Perth Australia
    "Help Me" is not my all time favourite Joni song, but it has some of her best lyrics.
    I love that snippet.

    With some of Joni's faster numbers, such as this one, you have to really concentrate to catch all the messages therein (or, of course, read the lyrics).
     
    Victor/Victrola likes this.
  23. Planbee

    Planbee Negative Nellie

    Location:
    Chicago
    PW, go at whatever pace works for you. I know I'd get burned out doing a song a day, even with Joni. I started a couple album-by-album threads way back when and THAT was enough work. Besides, I'd like to see you hang in there long enough for me to defend "Dancin' Clown." :)

    Anyhoo, until I bought Court and Spark about 15 years or so ago (after hearing for years and years what a great album it was), "Help Me" was the only Joni Mitchell song I really knew. Sure, I was aware through CSNY that she wrote "Woodstock", and Amy Grant's cover of "Big Yellow Taxi" was unavoidable in the mid-'90s, but to my knowledge "Help Me" was the only song I'd actually heard her sing.

    Maybe I was listening to the wrong stations in Chicago, but I had a similar experience with Rickie Lee Jones' "Chuck E.'s in Love." Shortly after discovering in my 30s that Joni had a lot more than one song, I did the same with RLJ. People complain about radio now, but in many ways it was always crap. Anyway, sorry for the detour...
     
    Parachute Woman likes this.
  24. EddieMann

    EddieMann I used to be a king...

    Location:
    Geneva, IL. USA.
    I don't think I heard this album in real time. In 1974 I was 17/18 and just finishing up high school. I was a typical teen aged boy overdosing on Zeppelin, Sabbath, and the like. I was becoming more immature by the hour as well lol, the highlight of my days was mostly hanging out behind the grammar school drinking with the guys. But some time in late 75 or early 76 probably, I heard Raised on Robbery on the radio and was really taken by it. Imagine, a woman coming up to you in a bar and wanting to sit down and drink with you. A woman who had her own feelings and ideas about things, totally independent from what I felt. How different from the awkward relationships I'd had with all the young women from my neighborhood. So, I went out and got Court and Spark. It was a catchy album for sure, but it was one that the more I listened to the deeper I got into it. It became an album I listened to mostly alone and in the dark. An album that sort of dragged me into maturity as life went on (although that took a looooong time). She's just so damn grown up on this album, her voice, the songs, everything. I think next to the Beatles WA its the record I have purchased the most copies of. I'm always looking for a copy with one less crackle in it, and I just can't seem to let it sit there if I see it in a garage sale or thrift store. Over the years I may have listened to it hundreds of times, totally moved by the title track, People's Parties, and Car on the Hill the most. I really don't think there's a track that I find weak although I think Help Me was way overplayed on the radio back in the day, its the You Turn Me On of this lp. Anyway, this is a top 5, desert album release for me.
     
    Manapua and Parachute Woman like this.
  25. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

    Location:
    Perth Australia
    ^^ It always amused me how desert islands always seem to come equipped with high fidelity super-duper sound systems, as well as electric power to enable you to use them!
     
    EddieMann likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

molar-endocrine