Joy Division. 2015 RHINO Anniversary vinyl reissues

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by jimhb, May 15, 2015.

  1. Black Stripes

    Black Stripes Forum Resident

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    Earlier in this thread it was mentioned several times that these new reissues have been pressed by Optimal Media in Germany. Aside from the matrix in the dead wax, the printed inner for Closer proves that, too. See my picture below.

    I bought all 4 reissues (UP, Closer, Substance, Still) and I am happy with 3 of them. Unfortunately I have to claim about Closer though. I got a copy with a mispressed label and the Vinyl is warped too. See that other picture. I will send it back to get a replacement.

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  2. Amnesiac

    Amnesiac Forum Resident

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    The insert on my copy says "PRINTED BY SOMETHING ELSE".
     
  3. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    My 2007 US Rhino states the same
     
  4. Black Stripes

    Black Stripes Forum Resident

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    True, it's just the credit for the Printing company as part of the artwork. There are also versions with CLIFFORD PRESS and many others from the early days. Depending on where it was printed.

    In case of the 2015 reissues those were printed by Optimal. I'd assume Warner Music booked the common package including pressing the records and printing the jackets there, too.
     
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  5. jsayers

    jsayers Just Drifting....

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    Has anyone bought the new cd version? I'm asking here because I hate to start a new thread for it, but maybe I'll have to.

    I don't do vinyl. I have the 1st japan press cd and the US cd versions, I'm wondering if I should upgrade?
     
  6. Technocentral

    Technocentral Forum Resident

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    Judas!
     
  7. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    Nothing wrong with the US Qwest cd's, lots of great info on the Joy Division on CD thread
    Very rarely in my opinion do I hear an 'Upgrade' in standard remasters, just different, no worse, no better
     
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  8. jsayers

    jsayers Just Drifting....

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    I thought the new cd, like the new vinyl, was based on the recent " + - Singles 1978-80 cd singles and 7" single boxed set and the I-tunes download, which were supposed to be very good. That's not to say the cd mastering could be brickwalled and ruin any improvements on them, though.
    The cd singles were supposed to be fantastic and maybe they compiled these same masterings onto the Substance cd, which is what I'm hoping.
     
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  9. jsayers

    jsayers Just Drifting....

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  10. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    I thought I read someone who purchased the Hi-Rez gave it a thumbs up, it uses the same plus-minus remaster, looks like it may be just slightly compressed, nothing major though, you should be fine :cheers:
     
  11. jsayers

    jsayers Just Drifting....

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    Well, I'm not convinced the standard cd will use the same mastering as the Hi-Rez download. Does that EVER happen? :laugh:
     
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  12. Technocentral

    Technocentral Forum Resident

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    Average on the vinyl. A tad compressed for my liking (comparing it to my original 12"s (Transmission and Love will…) and albums (Closer first pressing).
     
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  13. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    Ugh, I give up John, just buy the damn thing and you tell us how it sounds :D
    I'm happy with my old Qwest cd, if your not, buy the new one
     
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  14. Aaron76

    Aaron76 Well-Known Member

    I have the 2007 Rhino U.P. and Closer. Not off-centre and they sound good to me. I have just ordered Still and Substance. More excited about the latter, but I felt the urge to complete my (album) collection.
     
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  15. inaptitude

    inaptitude Forum Resident

    Just got vinyl Substance in from Amazon.uk. Has the printed inner sleeves. I also have the original US single lp pressing and the repress is much nicer all around. Even he outer sleeve is more textured and thicker than the original pressing.

    My only gripe is the track sequencing. I grew up with the cassette that grouped things chronologically I seem to recall. I would much rather their punkier songs grouped together at the start but disk one is a straight up repress of the original single disk version.
     
  16. cc--

    cc-- Forum Resident

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    yeah, you get in the zone of the classic Joy Division sound, that you don't want to go back when you go to disc 2. But it does make sense in terms of the original release.

    wouldn't have minded some liner notes, either, to match up the songs from related releases. But that did get me googling and learning more about the band in the process.
     
  17. edb15

    edb15 Forum Resident

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    Bought the import (i.e. EU) Substance and through side 2 so far so good. Two ticks at the beginning of Transmission and that's it for noise so far. Sound is certainly good. Haven't compared to my Qwest LP (my only other copy). It's bright with my Lyra, but so is the original from memory, but I'll happily play this again.

    If I'd known the US edition was pressed at Optimal I'd have gotten that though it sounds like they don't have the picture inners? Sounds like all these were done at Optimal. I got nice pressings of the 2007, which I bought on release--I think those were mastered from John Davis.
     
  18. Allan

    Allan Forum Resident

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    I bought my Substance in the USA and it had the printed inner sleeves and the poly-lined sleeves.
     
  19. scotth

    scotth Forum Resident

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    Same here.
     
  20. edb15

    edb15 Forum Resident

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    Must have misread. I finished listening and aside from two tics the LPs were clean.

    I guess the outstanding question is how these compare to the 2007, which are supposedly from analog, and to the HDTracks, which must be the source here.
     
  21. Pavol Stromcek

    Pavol Stromcek Forum Resident

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    So, a question for anyone who has bought the new Substance LP or the 2015 represses of UP and Closer: are the pressings off center?

    I had problems with off-center copies of the 2007 pressings, which was very annoying, because they sounded pretty good otherwise. If these 2015 represses are dead center, I might be interested.
     
  22. inaptitude

    inaptitude Forum Resident

    My UK substance is perfectly pressed.
     
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  23. edb15

    edb15 Forum Resident

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    These aren't represses. They are reissues, remastered from digital at Abbey Road, with new catalog numbers, and pressed at Optimal instead of Rainbo. No reason to connect them to the 2007 LPs at all.
     
  24. Pavol Stromcek

    Pavol Stromcek Forum Resident

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    Well, according to Rhino's website they used the 2007 remasters for UP and Closer. So, they have that in common with the 2007 LPs, at least.

    Saying they're pressed at Optimal instead of Rainbo means nothing to me. Is Optimal thought to be better than Rainbo?

    I thought the 2007s sounded good, and I'm mainly concerned about whether the vinyl is off-center, given that nearly everything I've bought by Rhino over the past 10 years has been off center.
     
  25. edb15

    edb15 Forum Resident

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    2007 verbiage on the sticker was "from original master tapes." 2015 is "from the 2007 remasters." One implies analog tapes, as did the marketing at the time, the other means from digital files.

    In any event, the 2007s were cut by John Davis (but uncredited in deadwax) and the new versions are clearly signed by Frank Arkwright at Abbey Road.

    As to pressing quality, Optimal is the top tier of plants (or maybe 1A just below RTI, QRP, and Pallas), having done the Beatles reissues, for instance. Rainbo is in the bottom tier with United and GZ.
     

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