Looked over the forums and while the bands have been covered very well, I just couldn't find a thread introducing the releases by these two entities so I guess I'll patent the idea and welcome suggestions. The format would be a poll on albums followed by introductions of the releases and discussion. Personally I prefer the two bands in the same thread but am open to a separate thread for each. The releases to be introduced are: Joy Division: Unknown Pleasures Closer Substance Still I was tossing around the others but they might be so rare or obscure that only a select few can discuss in depth. There's a lot of non-album material out there that might bog down the discussion so I'd add based on suggestions and demand. These would be: Warsaw An Ideal for Living Les Bains Douches The Peel Sessions Total Permanent (Lots of compilations with some redundancy) Martin Hannett's Personal Mixes Heart and Soul BBC Recordings Some possible areas of discussion: The Manchester music scene Factory records Rob Gretton Separation between Ian Curtis' lyrics and the band (apparently the lyrics were Ian's private business and they didn't pay too much attention to them) Was hoping for contributions from those familiar with Hannett's studio experimentation from a technical perspective as well as how it relates to the finished product in that many thought he was off his crumpet until they heard the album. Or we can just "stick to the music". Unknown Pleasures to be started tomorrow unless there are any objections.