Joy Division/New Order Albums

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Havoc, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. rararabbits

    rararabbits Forum Resident

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    Yes, exactly this. It’s a revelation (and a head-scratcher) to me that some people perceive this as filler.
     
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  2. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Song 07 - Mr Disco



    Kind of a bland, generic disco-ey song from them.

    Again, not much to the lyrics, and not really much
    of a synth breakdown either. The usual orchestra hits,
    claps, and various techno sounds are in here.

    There was talk of making it a single, but it didn't happen.

    Again, another song that doesn't stand out from the rest - 1/5

    Mr. Disco ranks 58th on the list, with 40 plays:
    From Setlist.fm

    later
    -1
     
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  3. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    For those interested, there were some demos from this album,
    along with other tracks out there:

    here's dream attack:


    Code:
    Tracklist 
    
    01. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #01] Loveless [0:41] 
    02. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #02] Mr Disco [1:01] 
    03. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #03] Don't Do It [1:07] 
    04. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #04] Run (early version) [0:36] 
    05. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #05] Unknown #1 [0:36] 
    06. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #06] Best and Marsh [1:17] 
    07. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #07] MTO [0:59] 
    08. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #08] Unknown #2 [1:23] 
    09. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #09] guitar and bass checks [0:27] 
    10. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #10] Dream Attack (demo) [5:49] 
    11. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #11] Dream Attack (Hooky bass over playback) [0:49] 
    12. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #12] Dream Attack (monitor playback) [1:09] 
    13. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #13] Dream Attack (Hooky bass over playback) with piano [1:48] 
    14. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #14] Mr Disco (Hooky bass over playback) [2:56] 
    15. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #15] Low-fi Hooky riffing [0:08] 
    16. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #16] Hi-fi Hooky riffing [1:17] 
    17. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #17] More hi-fi Hooky riffing [0:22] 
    18. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #18] Hooky bass (All The Way) [0:23] 
    19. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side one) #19] low-volume ambient recording (BM playback plus bass synth to 'Much Too Old') [20:39] 
    
    20. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #01] Hooky bass (All The Way) [0:24] 
    21. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #02] Hooky bass ('The Him' style riff) [0:40] 
    22. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #03] Blue Monday 1988 (no samples) (cut) [1:52] 
    23. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #04] Guilty Partner (rehearsal takes) [3:15] 
    24. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #05] Don't Do It (rehearsal takes) [1:54] 
    25. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #06] Unknown #2 (rehearsal takes) [0:47] 
    26. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #07] Blue Monday 1988 (no samples) (start missing) [5:01] 
    27. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #08] Blue Monday 1988 (no samples) [7:10] 
    28. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #09] Blue Monday 1988 (samples version 1) [7:08] 
    29. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #10] Blue Monday 1988 (samples version 2) [7:09] 
    
    Total: 79:00 
    
    A unique collection of Technique-era demos/monitor mix playbacks/Hooky live playing, as well as several unreleased mixes of 'Blue Monday 1988'. 
    
    Digitized from Tom's Hulme's tape, which he received from an engineer at the recording sessions. 
    
    later
    -1
     
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  4. Figure of Eight

    Figure of Eight Forum Resident

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    Nonsense. For me, "Mr. Disco" is yet another great track on an album full of them. Yet another killer chorus, and as good a use of the orchestral stab as the Pet Shop Boys ever managed. I haven't even listened to Technique in a while, but I can pretty much play this song - any song from this album, for that matter - from start-to-finish in my head.
     
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  5. DirkM

    DirkM Forum Resident

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    MA, USA
    Same here, 100%. I like that you pointed out the PSB similarity; I never made that connection before, but it makes perfect sense.

    Mr. Disco isn't as revelatory or epic as the great NO singles, but it's just as enjoyable to me.
     
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  6. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Song 08 - Vanishing Point



    As the album comes to a close, this second to last track is actually
    another one that was decent, but not great.

    It's a slightly longer track, so it does have more time to develop.
    Again, no distinct lyrics to speak of, and some housey keyboards,
    and drums going on, with the standard orchestra hits and percussion
    going on.

    Its about as good as they're going to get for this album : 3.5 /5

    Not a single, but there was a instrumental mix of it. So there are
    some decent fanmixes that incorporate it into the song.

    Vanishing Point is 34/112 and played 64 times:
    from setlist.fm

    later
    -1
     
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  7. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Favorite in 89, same as today -1 :)
    4/5
    The instrumental break at 3:30 ruined it as good dance/club track. (imo)
    Shame this never saw a single release, some good commissioned mixes could of been produced.
    Love Hook's bass line and the 'drive by' effect.
     
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  8. DirkM

    DirkM Forum Resident

    Location:
    MA, USA
    Vanishing Point is a typical NO album track for me: solid, unremarkable filler by NO's standards, but still eminently enjoyable and better than (at least) 95% of pop music. You get the sense that this could have been a true classic had they worked a little harder on it...but the fact that they could toss this off and still come up with a great pop song shows just how great they really were.
     
  9. Hush

    Hush "Fate, up against your will"

    Location:
    Aberdeen, Scotland
    Absolutely love Vanishing Point. One of my highlights from Technique, that and Dream Attack make it for me a really strong finish to the record.

    Love it. 5/5
     
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  10. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Song 09 - Dream Attack



    Here we are at the final closing track to the album, and CD.
    This midtempo rock track starts off that way, but adds some
    subtle keyboards to it. It does get it into some breathy vocals,
    and then a more harder tone towards the end. Touches of
    pianos, guitar and bass complement it. There is kind of
    a guitar solo near the end. It kind of just fades out though.
    Not a very powerful ending.

    It's not much of standout from the album, since it blends
    in with the other songs, but it seems fine for the closer of
    the album. I think it doesn't really follow the previous tones
    of novelty or just having fun like the other tracks have been.

    A standard track - 2/5

    It stands at 39/112 for live plays at 60 times:
    From setlist.fm

    Thanks to everyone participating in the conversation.
    I know it's been a little uneven.

    But I will also be going through the bonus tracks for the 2nd
    cd of the deluxe version (although some have already mentioned
    them)

    After that, Republic will be up, and although I'm not a fan of
    that either. There are a couple of good songs on it that are
    remixed well.

    later
    -1
     
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  11. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    Here is a decent fan mix for vanishing point:



    later
    -1
     
  12. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    USA
    Track 01 - Don't Do It 4:34
    The first track of the bonus disc.

    This is a very interesting instrumental:


    The B-side of Fine Time:
    [​IMG]
    Neworder* - Fine Time

    Tracklist
    A Fine Time 4:42
    B1 Don't Do It 4:30
    B2 Fine Line 4:43
    Total Time: 13:55

    Lots of guitars, orchestral sounds, and a sample of a voice
    saying 'don't put your figure on the button', and some speech.

    i like it better than fine time: 3/5


    later
    -1
     
  13. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    USA
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  14. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    USA
    We already covered the next 2 tracks on the bonus disc:

    2. "Fine Line" 4:45
    3. "Round & Round" (12" Version) 6:52

    So we are at: Song 04 - Best & Marsh 4:32

    As mentioned before another instrumental, and also editted
    as the b-side / extra track on the Round and Round single:

    [​IMG]

    The B-side contains the instrumental "Best & Marsh", originally composed
    as theme for the Granada TV series, featuring footballers George Best and Rodney Marsh.



    Neworder* ‎– Round&round
    Label:
    Factory ‎– Fac263
    Format:
    Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM
    Country:
    UK
    Released:
    27 Feb 1989
    Genre:
    Electronic
    Style:
    Synth-pop

    Tracklist
    A Round & Round 6:50
    B Best & Marsh 4:31
    Total Time: 11:21

    The Canadian single had all the mixes:
    Neworder* - Round&round


    [​IMG]

    Neworder* ‎– Round&round
    Label:
    Factory ‎– 874 079-2
    Format:
    CD, Single, Card Sleeve
    Country:
    Canada
    Released:
    1989
    Genre:
    Electronic, Pop
    Style:
    House, Synth-pop

    Tracklist
    ! Round & Round 3:54
    2 Round & Round (Extended Version) 6:39
    3 Best And Marsh 4:32
    4 Round & Round (The Club Mix) 7:07
    5 Round & Round (The Detroit Mix) 6:29

    Total Time: 28:41


    A rather basic and simple instrumental - 1/5

    later
    -1
     
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  15. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Can't even say I enjoy Hook's bass on this one. :laugh:
    I'm with you on this one. I give it a 1 or maybe zero as I don't even listen to it on the single.
     
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  16. JeffMo

    JeffMo Format Agnostic

    Location:
    New England
    Thanks for posting that.

    I love "Dream Attack" though and it is my favorite NO closing track of all time. Looking forward to hearing the upcoming live version from 2017.
     
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  17. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Here are some other groups and music released in 1989:
    -------------
    by group:
    [​IMG]

    by month:
    [​IMG]

    later
    -1
     
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  18. JeffMo

    JeffMo Format Agnostic

    Location:
    New England
    Playing one of my old and favorite boots today, Electronic Ecstasy from Reading 1993.

    On cassette no less, with old school boom box!
     
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  19. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    :laugh:
    Nice Jeff!
    I had this puppy on vinyl in the 90's, ended up gifting it away. (SQ was dismal)
    [​IMG]
    Found the same recordings in way better quality a couple years ago on CD.
    Man I wish they would of done a studio cut of Spark's When I'm With you, Hook's bass works great on this.
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. JeffMo

    JeffMo Format Agnostic

    Location:
    New England
    Is yours complete gig? The EE boot didn’t include all songs but SQ is pretty good. I think it was from radio broadcast.
     
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  21. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    The cd contains I believe the entire 82 Milan, the above LP only contained like 5 or 6 tracks (IIRC)
     
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  22. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Song 06 - MTO (Minus Mix)

    [​IMG]



    This song, MTO , was the B-side of run, another house instrumental.



    The mix has samples from 'fine time' in it also,
    along with a lot of familiar drum samples, and yells, claps, etc.

    The mix is better than the single one.

    For collectors, there was a UK 7 inch promo:
    Neworder* - Run 2

    [​IMG]

    Neworder* ‎– Run 2
    Label:
    Factory ‎– Fac273/7
    Format:
    Vinyl, 7", Single, Promo
    Country:
    UK
    Released:
    Aug 1989
    Genre:
    Electronic, Rock
    Style:
    House, Synth-pop, Indie Rock

    Tracklist
    A Run 2 3:35
    B MTO 3:43

    Total Time: 7:18



    Not a bad one, but not that memorable either. - 2.5/5

    ------------------
    The only other extra track is the Vanishing Point (Making out mix)..

    So the next track will be the non-album 'World In Motion' one.




    later
    -1
     
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  23. Drotz1

    Drotz1 Forum Resident

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    canada
    I have a Canadian pressing of Power Corruption and Lies with no 586 on it. only 3 tracks. I cannot find any reference to this.

    Anyone know of it?
     
  24. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

    Location:
    USA
    Is it named as an alternate track.

    never heard of a pressing like this, maybe a mispress.

    later
    -1
     
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  25. Drotz1

    Drotz1 Forum Resident

    Location:
    canada
    This is the album, note 3 tracks. labels states 5 8 6 @
    negative1
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2019

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