Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures 40th Anniversary Limited Edition

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  1. Vinyl Fan 1973

    Vinyl Fan 1973 "They're like soup, they're like....nothing bad"

    Thanks! I also scored a mint pressing of closer. An original US translucent pressing, and it sounds wonderful.
     
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  2. Fat Bob

    Fat Bob Forum Resident

    My 2007 UK copy has the deadwax etchings. It's identical to this copy on Discogs - including the serial number in the deadwax - but it also has 'This is the way FACT 10 Outside-1' and 'Step FACT 10 Inside-1'.
     
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  3. SCOTT1234

    SCOTT1234 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scotland
    I have 3 UP and 2 Closer pressings.

    UP:
    UK Porky 1979 is my favourite soundwise. Very cohesive, slighty narrowed stereo. Punchy. Good eq balance. Fresh tape. Just sounds right.
    German 1979. Wider stereo. More separation on each instrument. Slight boost to high end frequency over the porky. Very good.
    2007 US Rhino reissue. Soundstage and eq is more similar to the uk porky than the German. It sounds fine but I put in 3rd place because it just doesn't sound as vibrant and fresh as the originals. Probably due to a combination of the older tape and lacking that George Peckham magic touch.

    I would happily recommend this UP reissue to someone who doesn't want to pay a sky high price for an original uk porky, but would also suggest they give the (still reasonably priced) German a try.

    Closer is a different story. The 2007 reissue sounds nowhere near as good as the uk original to my ears and I would recommend spending the extra to get a 1980 uk pressing.
     
  4. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    I'm going to take your word on Closer. While my US 2007 is fine/passable, i'm thinking it's going to be like a comparison between the Movement remaster and the old UK Townhouse GG.
     
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  5. SCOTT1234

    SCOTT1234 Forum Resident

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    Yes
     
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  6. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    Thanks. I know exactly what you mean. :cheers:
     
  7. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter


    I've not heard the german pressing, but totally agree to your assessment of the UK first pressing against the 2007 Rhino. The 2007 remasters got a bad wrap at the time I think all down to the CD mastering and not the vinyl mastering. I think they're very different, and were done by different mastering engineers. I've not heard the 2007 Closer remaster, but I'll take your word on that.... I'm happy with my first pressing of that record.

    Bottom line is the mastering on the 2007 US Rhino's are different to the 2015 Frank remasters. Although Frank Arkwright states on his resume page on the Abbey Road website that he did the 2007 remasters, I think there's something awry with his recollection. None of the 2007 vinyl remasters are signed by him on the dead wax, maybe he just did the CD mastering which is quite possible..... In which case he screwed them up as they were awful.
     
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  8. jeffmo789

    jeffmo789 Give The Gift of Music!

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    no we are aging like fine wine... :cool:
     
  9. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

    Location:
    Wisconsin
    So, was there any consensus on the pressing quality of the white cover/red vinyl anniversary edition? Particularly pressing quality compared with the 2015 reissue? I see a lot of discussion about the mastering, but given they seem to be the same cut, is one pressed better than the other?
     
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  10. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    My opinion is they are Ok, they are the 2015 Frank masters and are the same as those pressings. They are different to the Rhino pressings. Balance wise they are different to the original pressings in so far as the left and right channels are the wrong way round to the original pressings. Having listened to the original mix for years i find the 2015 pressings a bit disconcerting due the that fact. but, on the whole, they are good SQ.

    I don't have an original black 2015 anymore to run an AB test between the 2, but I don't anticipate them to be any different. They are both digital transfers, and digitally mastered, so should be the same. The fact that one os red and the other is black shouldn't make any difference to the SQ, in my honest opinion.
     
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  11. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

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    Thanks, I appreciate the comparison. All things being equal, mix/master-wise, I’m curious whether one or the other is known to have more defects, in terms of off-center, non-fill, etc. I wouldn’t expect black or red to make a difference, either, but being pressed about four years apart, I could see quality control varying between the two runs. So I was just curious whether anybody had observed pressing issues with either (Amazon reviews being entirely unreliable since I assume anybody whose review is “it skips” is potentially using a garbage turntable and/or poor setup).

    I don’t have a copy at all, currently, and either of these would be my easiest way to get one, as they are readily available and priced OK. I may go with the red simply because there’s been less time for them to sit in a warehouse poorly stored and getting warped...
     
  12. Echoes Myron

    Echoes Myron Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Both my red and black sound great and are free of defects.

    Very happy with them but am still on the hunt for a first UK :)
     
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  13. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

  14. Echoes Myron

    Echoes Myron Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    Not sure if there is another thread on this, but I just saw the announcement for Rhino reissues of Closer on colored vinyl, plus LWTUA, Atmosphere, and Transmission 12" singles.
     
  15. jimod99

    jimod99 Daddy or chips?

    Location:
    Vienna, Austria
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