Kevin Smith announces CLERKS III officially in the works

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  1. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    KS was still good through the original "J&SB". I disliked "Mallrats" - still do! - but liked all of the other 1995-2001 movies, with "Amy" as the best of the bunch.

    It's the "Jersey Girl" to date flicks that've been mediocre at best. I liked "Zack" but that's it.

    And I've lost interest in anything else he does - the stink of those movies has just turned me off on KS entirely.

    I used to want to see a live performance but now I'm disinterested. Maybe he's still funny/entertaining as a storyteller, but he beat me down with so much bad product that I don't care anymore...
  2. Neil Anderson

    Neil Anderson Forum Resident

    Portland, Oregon
    surprised so many people dislike "Clerks 2," it might be my favorite Kevin Smith movie. I loved that the movie really dived into the sadness about 10 years passing and the characters are worse off than they were.
  3. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    It's just such a hodgepodge. It's like KS wants to be "Serious, Mature Kev" but then he throws out smutty donkey-f--king gags, too.

    The whole thing mainly made me sad, as it felt like a creative retreat. KS openly declared these characters were "dead" but at the first sign of commercial failure - "Jersey Girl" - he ran back home.

    Even without that, it just feels like a movie made by someone impersonating KS and not the man himself. It's like KS wants to be his creative self of a decade early but has lost the muse and just has the Mewes! :D
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  4. I like some of his other movies - such as J&SB, and I don't even totally hate Clerks II - but I've long thought he tries to hard to be clever, has a base edge that can be off-putting, and he has a real tin ear for how people really talk, which is ironic for someone known to he a real stickler for his dialogue. It ends up making characters sound pretty samey. Whatever its flaws, I still think Clerks is his best movie and I still like it a lot.
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  5. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    Jason Lee is the best thing about it.
  6. GodShifter

    GodShifter \m/®

    Dallas, TX, USA
    Faint praise.
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  7. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    Hoo boy did this guy disagree:

    "Probably most off-putting is Jason Lee's amazingly abrasive and annoying performance as one of our leads, Brodie. Ironically, his appearance on a dating game show toward the end provided some of the film's few laughs, but Lee's loud and shrill presence grated on my with startling rapidity. I guess we're supposed to find his character obnoxious, but I can't imagine we're supposed to dislike him, at least not intensely. "

    Mallrats: 10th Anniversary Edition (1995)
  8. AirJordanFan93

    AirJordanFan93 Forum Resident

    Oh well. This is the only thing I have liked him in as well.
  9. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    I liked Lee in later projects - heck, 2 years later in "Chasing Amy", he was much more effective.

    But "Mallrats" was his first real role as an actor, and that inexperience shows. He matured quickly and was much more effective in "Amy":

    " As Holden's best friend, Jason Lee is a minor revelation. I absolutely loathed his crude and abrasive work in Mallrats, and though Banky is still a fairly obnoxious guy, Lee greatly tones down the personality and actually comes through as a believable, realistic person. Since I thought his acting in Mallrats was one of the worst parts about it, I was quite surprised to see how much I liked his work here; he makes the role convincing and sympathetic. "

    Chasing Amy [Blu-Ray] (1997)
  10. George P

    George P Letting Go

    I thought Lee did well in Vanilla Sky.

    And he was superb in My Name Is Earl.
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  11. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    Yeah, he was good later in this career. I just hated him in "Mallrats"!
  12. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    Yeah, but it would be like looking at a thin John Candy or Oliver Hardy.

    It's is one of those things that would take some getting used to.
  13. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    saw the other 2 and I'll see this...should be cool.
  14. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits and Abbie: Best Dogs Ever

    Alexandria VA
    That's what I said. We're used to Fat Kev so we need some time to grow accustomed to Thin Kev.

    It's the claims that he looks objectively bad as a thin guy that I think are wrong...
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  15. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    so did I...I really like him...there isn't anything yet that I do not like...all around good actor.
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  16. TheSeldomSeenKid

    TheSeldomSeenKid Forum Resident

    Jason Lee was great in 'Dogma', which is not only my Favorite Kevin Smith Movie, but my #1 Favorite Comedy Movie.

    Jason was a Skater and pretty sure Professionally for a few years, as recall him doing Skate Tours in Japan and other Countries-IIRC. Having been a Skater myself and still ride a 38" Sector 9 Board once in awhile until derailed with bad result of a Herniated Disc Surgery, I liked Jason just knowing he was also a Skater. 'My Name is Earl' was one of my Favorite TV Comedies and seemed to end too soon, but guess ratings went bad during the last Season for some reason, as it was still funny-IMO.
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  17. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Fish or a mountain to scale

    East Bay, Ca
    After Clerks, Dogma is easily my favorite of Smiths movies. Jason was great as Asreal. In the early films he tried to act. At some point he found his voice. Earl was really great. Great cast, great concept and writing.
  18. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Forum Resident Thread Starter

    My current running order his films written and directed:

    J&SB Strike Back
    Clerks II
    Chasing Amy
    Red State
    Zack & Miri
    Jersey Girl
    Yoga Hosers

    based on trailer alone, I think "Reboot" should fall right under C2.
  19. Banter

    Banter Well-Known Member

    Columbus, Ohio
    I think you have to be a certain age demographic to like Kevin Smith. As much as I can't stand his work now, there was a time I thought a lot of his movies were fairly "important," and I do think he has completely changed the way we view "nerds" in popular culture.

    Before Clerks and Mallrats the typical nerd in film always looked like they were from Revenge of the Nerds or Steve Urkel. Out of nowhere comes this fresh voice in this new wave of directors (Linklater, Terrentino, Smith) who redefined what a nerd was. They were angry and obsessive. They were not the kid with a pocket protector. Smith had a huge hit with Clerks, and it spoke to a big part of Gen X, and I think those are the people who still support him today. Smith bombed with Clerks in color, aka Mallrats. Then I finally started to think he was finally finding a voice and becoming the director we thought he would be with Chasing Amy. I still think Chasing Amy is a fantastic film. His dialogue felt real, and I thought the relationships felt relatable in an era of Ross and Rachel.

    Dogma was good, but Smith has put out nothing of value since Dogma, and that was 20 years ago. Pretty much everything else is such a step back and departure from what we/I thought Smith should have been to a generation. It feels as if Smith has never grown since becoming a hit director at such a young age, and I thought Clerks II reflected that. Clerks II was such a mess, and with where the world was in 2006, it still shocks me that Randall and Dante were still working in fast food while the heart of Smith's fanbase had grown up. Randall and Dante should have been working in a lifeless cubicle to relate to a large amount of Americans and explore a different type of life. Instead, we get Donkey Shows and a Jay and Silent Bob dance number.

    I feel like Smith ran out of things to say in 1999, and we have been stuck with terrible movies that studio somehow keeps making for the past 20 years. His recent efforts have been terrible and just seem like a vanity project to let his daughter act. All of that is fine, but the fact he blames critics and says his movies are just for fun, and silly ideas from his podcast are such a weak excuse.
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  20. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Forum Resident Thread Starter


    That he did.
  21. vince

    vince Stan Ricker's son-in-law

    In his defense....
    Carlin liked him!
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  22. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Appeared in three of his movies.
  23. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I'm agreeing with you. Thin Kev is just something that we are not accustomed to looking at.

    Just judging his appearance as a Thin Kev, he seems to be in far better shape and definitely does not look objectively bad as a thin guy.

    Although, as a thin guy, he does look a bit more like Robert Downey Jr.




  24. SandAndGlass

    SandAndGlass Twilight Forum Resident

    I don't agree with that. It is always this person or that person invented "indie" film cinematic universe.

    It has been invented way back before Kevin Smith movies or sex, lies, and videotape became popular.

    Although many viewers got on the bus, sometime down the road.
  25. True. Smith even says so, saying he swiped it from Marvel Comics to begin with:

    (6:36. At 7:06, literally "I stole that idea from Marvel Comics" :D)
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