List of CD players that can decode pre-emphasis

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Starwanderer, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    Can't say I have any specific knowledge there, but I think it's safe to assume that if somebody is wondering about a machine, chances are it *does* decode PE. Hence, this thread should really be "List of CD players that can't decode pre-emphasis".
     
  2. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

    Location:
    Corvallis, Oregon
    It does.
     
  3. Uri Cohen

    Uri Cohen Forum Resident

    Location:
    Jacksonville, FL
    The Harman Kardon HD7600 and the Cyrus CD6S does Pre-Emp correctly.
     
  4. Schoolmaster Bones

    Schoolmaster Bones Poe's Lawyer

    Location:
    ‎The Midwest
    Perhaps a list of models that don't would be more useful.
     
  5. Starwanderer

    Starwanderer Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Valencia, Spain
    I agree. However, I only know of one player I'm 100% sure it can't decode pre-emphasis.

    Thanks everybody for your help :)
     
  6. Starwanderer

    Starwanderer Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Valencia, Spain
    Thanks for your replies :)

    CD/Universal players

    Arcam

    Arcam Alpha 5

    Cambridge Audio

    Cambridge DVD99
    Cambridge Azur 840C

    Cyrus

    Cyrus CD6S

    Denon

    Denon DCD-695

    Harman Kardon

    Harman Kardon HD7300
    Harman Kardon HD7600

    JVC

    JVC XL-V550

    Marantz

    Marantz CD5001

    Mitsubishi

    Mitsubishi DP-101

    Naim

    Naim CD-5i
    Naim CD555

    Onkyo

    Onkyo C7030
    Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD)

    Pioneer

    Pioneer DV-656A

    Rega

    Rega Apollo

    Rotel

    Rotel RCD-1072

    Sony

    Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD)


    DACs

    Benchmark DAC 1 Pre
    Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II

    Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please :)

    There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone? :wave:

    Does any one own the Primare CD21? Can it decode pre-emphasis?

    Thanks :)
     
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  7. Anonamemouse

    Anonamemouse my other pink shirt is black too

    My Marantz SA KI Pearl (not the light version) has it.
    My old Marantz 63 KI had it too. As far as I am aware all Marantz players have it.
     
  8. Starwanderer

    Starwanderer Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Valencia, Spain
    Thanks :) I'll have to check my Marantz BD5004 blu-ray
     
  9. Starwanderer

    Starwanderer Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Valencia, Spain
    Thanks for your replies :)

    CD/Universal players

    Arcam

    Arcam Alpha 5

    Cambridge Audio

    Cambridge DVD99
    Cambridge Azur 840C

    Cyrus

    Cyrus CD6S

    Denon

    Denon DCD-695

    Harman Kardon

    Harman Kardon HD7300
    Harman Kardon HD7600

    JVC

    JVC XL-V550

    Marantz

    Marantz CD5001
    Marantz SA KI Pearl
    Marantz 63 KI

    Mitsubishi

    Mitsubishi DP-101

    Naim

    Naim CD-5i
    Naim CD555

    Onkyo

    Onkyo C7030
    Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD)

    Pioneer

    Pioneer DV-656A

    Rega

    Rega Apollo

    Rotel

    Rotel RCD-1072

    Sony

    Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD)


    DACs

    Benchmark DAC 1 Pre
    Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II

    Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please :)

    There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone? :wave:
     
  10. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    So what are we using as a quick check to confirm PE decoding?

    If I have a copy of the Toshiba Abbey Road CD, should I just listen for a really bright presentation? If it sounds OK via the player's output, then I can assume PE decoding is occurring?
     
  11. Starwanderer

    Starwanderer Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Valencia, Spain
    That's right :)
     
  12. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    I'll go one better: rip that CD to your computer to hear what it sounds like without de-emphasis. The difference should be obvious. Then you know what to listen for.
     
  13. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    Oh, yeah. I've learned this way a few times! There are some PE CDs that aren't flagged properly though, right? And aren't there some where the flag is set in one place or another (Table of Contents vs. ??)- wondering if redbook identifies the flag regardless?

    I've been using WaveEmph since I stream from a hard drive, but I'll be getting a CD player at some point. Assuming it handles the PE correctly, then it will be interesting to compare WaveEmph files versus CD.
     
  14. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    PE can be set in both the TOC and the subcode stream. Current versions of EAC only detect it in the TOC. CD players should be able to detect it in either place.

    Straight rips (without any post processing, a la WaveEmph) will never be de-emphasized, regardless of if PE is detected during ripping or not.
     
  15. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    Ok, thanks lukpac. I've always wondered how close WaveEmph was to the code in redbook. With any luck, my new player will decode properly and then I'll be able to compare my processed files against the CD through the same D/A converter. Pretty close to an "apples to apples" I think.
     
  16. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    Very, very few modern players seem to detect the PE in the subcode.
     
  17. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    What makes you say that?
     
  18. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    I should have said universal/BD players. I'm going by experience.

    I haven't had a dedicated CD player in some time, so I don't know if the latest crop does a good job of detecting PE in the subcode.
     
  19. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    The subcode. Well, I'll to try a PE disc known to have the flag setting there as opposed to in the ToC. SamS had mentioned Abbey Road and I thought I recalled an oddity with its flag.
     
  20. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    I'd forgotten most of my experimentation with PE decoding, subcode and forced-decoding via SoX.

    I do have an original Abbey Road, and that should always be my test for players, as it only has the subcode PE, nothing in the TOC. I just need to dig up a reference disc that has PE in the TOC and keep both of them handy for testing players.
     
  21. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    Lazlo's PE list

    Would be nice to get this table rounded out with details such as ToC and sub.
     
  22. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

    Location:
    Milwaukee, WI
    You can just burn one.
     
  23. I take it that the Oppo's (specifically the 95), do NOT properly decode pre-empahasis?

    I wonder why the newer Univerals players stoped including this Red Book feature?:confused:
     
  24. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    The OPPOs recognize and properly decode PE flags in the TOC. If the PE flag is in the subcode-only, it will not be passed.

    The quantity of discs that reflect this disruptive pattern is unknown. My best guess is ~100 early CD titles.

    It's not just a player that will have a problem with this, it's any upstream device (i.e. DAC or receiver) that you happen to be bitstreaming to.
     
  25. kinkling

    kinkling Forum Resident

    Technics SL-PD8 5-cd changer decodes pre-emphasis. Tested with 1980's Denon Classical CDs from Japan (ripped to computer and burnt again without any flags) vs. original disc.
     

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