List of Rolling Stones' London CDs?

I have tried to find a list of what Rolling Stones' titles were released on the London Records label in the early days of CDs. My searches have uncovered a lot of threads and no definitive lists. I have checked the lucpac faq http://www.lukpac.org/stereostones/stones-cd-faq.txt and though it contains an amazing amount of detail I get very confused trying to keep everything straight. Did they release all the UK and US versions? Which are in mono? Stereo? A combination of the two? A straight list would be appreciated.

 

Try this link: http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_london_cds.html

 

That is awesome. Just what I was looking for. Thank you!

 

On that link (I have seen it before but forgotten about it) I notice the author crediting (among others) forum member Joachim Ritter.

 

One oddity omitted from that list but noted in Luke’s is Rolling Stones #2 released only in Japan P25L 25033 I think I got my copy from Joachim. Great CD.

 

Mediocre CD. Nothing above 16kHz or so on some tracks.

 

It is included on the chart of Japanese releases.

P33L 25015 -- P25L 25033 -- POCD-1913



Note: the first Japan release of "Beggars Banquet" (P33L-50002) is the original W. Germany CD (800 084-2) with Japanese art. The second release (P33L-25021) is a different mastering -- the acoustic guitar opening of "Prodigal Son" is cut off.

 

I know that there are different versions of the Hot Rocks Vol 1 cds. I luckily got the right one without fades and with the red remastered banner on the cover. What other variations are there to consider with the various London pressings?

 

Same thing for the self-titled album: the red banner version has no fades contrary to the later ones.

 

That is true - and the correct first one has the longer Tell Me..

 

Anybody have any info on what to be looking out for and avoiding regarding the London cds?

 

They're mostly all good.

 

Beggar's Banquet is really slow compared to the SACD.

December's Children has the worst stereo mix of Get Off My Cloud ever

Got 'Live' if You Want It has fades at the end of every song unlike the original LP

 

Note the point in Lukpac's FAQ that the W. German/French versions of the London CDs have 800 or 820 catalog prefixes. If the catalog number has an 844 prefix, it's the Abkco version.

The London CD of "Aftermath" (U.K. tracklisting) is terrific. It's in vibrant, wide stereo, which I normally don't like but it really makes this particular record come alive.

 

Aftermath was the first one that I obtained back in the 90's. I only have Hot Rocks 1 besides that.

I did not know that the Got Live had weird fades. Thanks for the info. This stuff helps!

 

The first batch of titles of W.German pressed London releases with the red banner on the covers, 85-86, were better masterd than the later titles 87-88 CDs that were issued. The first few tiltles were mastered using tapes from Mobile Fidelity.

 

Well, they are the same masterings except for the ones with the fades. The rest is identical between the two versions, they were all mastered from the tapes by MFSL.

 

It's actually the speed the original LP is in IIRC. The SACD reverts to the natural pitch instead.

 

Or not, as the case may be:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=291114&highlight=

 

Beggars Banquet, the original pressings - Deccas are slow and off pitch. There is no doubt.
I had some friends over for dinner a couple of years ago. One lady, now a banker, was in her youth an aspiring opera singer. A dream she canned in favour of being assured of paying rent and living a comfortable life. Anyway, I was playing a few records and getting the usual "I've never heard that before" from people who only listen to CDs.

I put on Beggars Banquet, an original Decca first pressing BTW, and this lady piped up, "There's something wrong with that, it's off pitch, it's slow". Now, the Rolling Stones were hardly this lady's thing, she barely knew them and had never, never heard Beggars Banquet before. She did however, immediately know, instinctively, that it was off pitch.
Being a bit surprised, to try her out, I put on the DSD remaster. The response, "Now it's Ok, the pitch is right".

 

These are exactly the CDs to be avoided in their original London CD release.
The SACDs of these titles are superior (although GLIYWI has some other mixes etc.). I also prefer the SACD of Between the Buttons and Let It Bleed.

 

There are variations on Let It Bleed and Get Yer Ya-Ya's out for some pressings. Not critical, but they exist.

For example
Let It Bleed 820 052-2 Matrix 01* (So called 2nd German Pressing, March 86)
TOC of the extracted CD

Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.33 | 4:45.10 | 33 | 21417
2 | 4:45.43 | 4:27.37 | 21418 | 41479
3 | 9:13.05 | 3:12.30 | 41480 | 55909
4 | 12:25.35 | 3:41.58 | 55910 | 72542
5 | 16:07.18 | 5:36.30 | 72543 | 97772
6 | 21:43.48 | 7:01.25 | 97773 | 129372
7 | 28:44.73 | 2:58.25 | 129373 | 142747
8 | 31:43.23 | 4:20.57 | 142748 | 162304
9 | 36:04.05 | 7:38.63 | 162305 | 196717

43 min. 42 sec
Peak levels
85.0%, 80.9%, 93.6%, 91.3%, 76.0%, 84.6%, 80.8%, 90.5%, 95.4%

Let It Bleed 820 052-2 Matrix 03/ (So called 1st French Pressing, 92???)
TOC of the extracted CD

Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.33 | 4:40.40 | 33 | 21072
2 | 4:40.73 | 4:26.45 | 21073 | 41067
3 | 9:07.43 | 3:12.52 | 41068 | 55519
4 | 12:20.20 | 3:40.63 | 55520 | 72082
5 | 16:01.08 | 5:37.67 | 72083 | 97424
6 | 21:39.00 | 7:00.38 | 97425 | 128962
7 | 28:39.38 | 2:59.35 | 128963 | 142422
8 | 31:38.73 | 4:19.67 | 142423 | 161914
9 | 35:58.65 | 7:33.63 | 161915 | 195952

43 min. 32 sec.
Peak levels
87.4%, 80.6%, 96.7%, 88.9%, 73.6%, 81.8%, 77.7%, 87.3%, 92.2%

Very similar for GYYYO.

 

I have the first of those two Let It Bleed cds. Interesting that there are timing differences... Thanks for the info!

 

Here you have for Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out
Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out 820 131-2
Matrix #: 820 131-2 01 * / MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO (So called 3rd German Pressing with old logo, July 88)
TOC of the extracted CD

Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.32 | 4:05.65 | 32 | 18471
2 | 4:06.22 | 3:43.63 | 18472 | 35259
3 | 7:50.10 | 3:51.45 | 35260 | 52629
4 | 11:41.55 | 4:55.40 | 52630 | 74794
5 | 16:37.20 | 9:16.27 | 74795 | 116521
6 | 25:53.47 | 6:34.58 | 116522 | 146129
7 | 32:28.30 | 3:10.10 | 146130 | 160389
8 | 35:38.40 | 4:33.70 | 160390 | 180934
9 | 40:12.35 | 3:34.07 | 180935 | 196991
10 | 43:46.42 | 4:05.38 | 196992 | 215404


47 min. 52 sec.
Peak levels
84.3%, 82.5%, 80.5%, 80.3%, 83.8%, 88.0%, 90.0%, 88.7%, 89.7%, 84.3%

Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out 820 131-2
Matrix #: 820 131-2 00 L7
Disc: MADE IN FRANCE BY PMDC (So called 4th French Pressing, ????)
TOC of the extracted CD

Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.33 | 4:05.17 | 33 | 18424
2 | 4:05.50 | 3:44.05 | 18425 | 35229
3 | 7:49.55 | 3:51.40 | 35230 | 52594
4 | 11:41.20 | 4:55.38 | 52595 | 74757
5 | 16:36.58 | 9:16.30 | 74758 | 116487
6 | 25:53.13 | 6:34.57 | 116488 | 146094
7 | 32:27.70 | 3:10.08 | 146095 | 160352
8 | 35:38.03 | 4:33.67 | 160353 | 180894
9 | 40:11.70 | 3:34.25 | 180895 | 196969
10 | 43:46.20 | 4:04.38 | 196970 | 215307

47 min. 50 sec.
Peak levels
95.6%, 92.4%, 90.2%, 89.1%, 96.7%, 98.6%, 100.0%, 97.7%, 93.6%, 87.1%

This one is tweaked in terms of peak level mainly. The cue points and timing are almost the same. I have no idea what happen there. And I do not have those ABKCO 844 xxx discs to compare.

 

Looks like I have the second cd posted of the Ya-Ya's. It is weird how there are such differences.