List of Rolling Stones' London CDs?

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  1. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    I think they didn't make it on purpose. But who knows. For example, Beggars Banquet [800 084-2] has the same peak level for all pressings but cue points are shifted by sector or two for matrix 03#, comparing to matrix 02#.

    I checked 6 different editions of Aftermath [820 050-2] (4 German and 2 French) - they seem to be clones. The same goes with TSMR [820 129-2] (all German discs I saw were pressed from matrix 01*) and at least 3 pressings of Between the Buttons [820 138-2].

    This is not an easy thing - to figure mastering variations on old London discs. You need to compare 7 to 9 discs of the same title (only German pressings).

    It would be great if one can make a table like: "Catalog number - Country - Pressing - Matrix number - Mastering Deviations" for all those discs.
     
  2. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    And this one wins the competition hands down ;-)

    December's Children (And Everybody's)
    Country: Brazil
    Record Label: London
    Catalogue #: 820 135-2
    London logo: Old Style
    Matrix #: SONOPRESS G-9502 / 820. 135-2 A
    The disk is all mono, although 'STEREO' is printed on the disc label

    Here are data form EAC log file
    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.32 | 1:39.03 | 32 | 7459
    2 | 1:39.35 | 2:36.05 | 7460 | 19164
    3 | 4:15.40 | 2:42.70 | 19165 | 31384
    4 | 6:58.35 | 2:20.20 | 31385 | 41904
    5 | 9:18.55 | 2:28.15 | 41905 | 53019
    6 | 11:46.70 | 2:42.55 | 53020 | 65224
    7 | 14:29.50 | 2:59.72 | 65225 | 78721
    8 | 17:29.47 | 2:28.33 | 78722 | 89854
    9 | 19:58.05 | 2:47.47 | 89855 | 102426
    10 | 22:45.52 | 2:11.63 | 102427 | 112314
    11 | 24:57.40 | 2:35.12 | 112315 | 123951
    12 | 27:32.52 | 2:18.55 | 123952 | 134356

    Peak level
    81.4 %, 75.5 %, 54.1 %, 58.8 %, 61.9 %, 63.1 %, 70.5 %, 63.3 %, 45.3 %, 67.8 %, 59.7 %, 69.7 %
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    German 4th pressing (probably 1991) disc looks like this

    Catalogue #: 820 135-2
    London logo: Old Style
    Matrix #: 820 135-2 02 / MADE IN GERMANY
    2 stereo tracks, the rest in mono

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.33 | 1:39.55 | 33 | 7512
    2 | 1:40.13 | 2:35.07 | 7513 | 19144
    3 | 4:15.20 | 2:43.73 | 19145 | 31442
    4 | 6:59.18 | 2:20.60 | 31443 | 42002
    5 | 9:20.03 | 2:30.32 | 42003 | 53284
    6 | 11:50.35 | 2:45.53 | 53285 | 65712
    7 | 14:36.13 | 3:03.00 | 65713 | 79437
    8 | 17:39.13 | 2:32.02 | 79438 | 90839
    9 | 20:11.15 | 2:47.05 | 90840 | 103369
    10 | 22:58.20 | 2:13.60 | 103370 | 113404
    11 | 25:12.05 | 2:36.23 | 113405 | 125127
    12 | 27:48.28 | 2:18.07 | 125128 | 135484

    Peak level
    89.8%, 90.1%, 89.1%, 92.7%, 93.2%, 87.2%, 90.3%, 65.1%, 65.3%, 87.1%, 57.1%, 72.5%
     
  3. musicore77

    musicore77 Well-Known Member

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    Hello, have you ever heard the German pressing of Rolled Gold? Need #s? The song, Mothers Little Helper, has a wide stereo mix. Is that what's on the MSFL London Aftermath you mentioned??
     
  4. musicore77

    musicore77 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I meant MFSL.
     
  5. Adam9

    Adam9 Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй.

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    The London on Aftermath does indeed have the wide (only) stereo mix of Mother's Little Helper.
     
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  6. musicore77

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    I was refering to the German pressing of Aftermath, 6.21396 AO. Ever heard of it? Mine seems to have the wide stereo version as far as I know. It's Definantly Different. Anyone?
     
  7. musicore77

    musicore77 Well-Known Member

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    This record has class. Nice analog pressing. Not quite as open or ballsy as a Decca original granted, but this little ruby was clean with no surface noise. Great pressing. I turned up the bass, and downed the treble a bit on my old system, and the record really came to life. Little bit thinner on the bass nice mids and it does have a damn good analog sound to it. Mothers Little Helper is definitely a good wide stereo mix, still, noone has confirmed weather or not it is "The Wide Stereo"?? Again those numbers are Gemma 6.21396 AO, Great pressing.
     
  8. Adam9

    Adam9 Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй.

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    I didn't realize you were referring to a vinyl pressing. I used to have a German Aftermath on the Nova label - don't know if it's the same one as above. It did have the same stereo mix of "Mother's Little Helper" that's on the UK Decca vinyl and the WG London CD. There's only one stereo mix of this song, AFAIK. For what it's worth, I did find it kind of trebly, so when I found a UK Decca, I got rid of it.
     
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  9. musicore77

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    That's kinda what I'm getting at. Your pressing was a later one I think, mine is a 1978. I can just crank the bass on my system, and it sounds great. I just wanted to get the wide stereo mix, and I think I got it. I'll get the London cd later. Better yet, I'll just dub my record to cd.
     
  10. Adam9

    Adam9 Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй.

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    No, I got rid of the SACD after I got the WG Aftermath CD. But the UK Decca vinyl sounds even better to me than the WG CD.
     
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  11. musicore77

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    Awesome, But, I also jumped the gun and bought the SACD. It hasn't arrived yet. I figure, you can't have too much Aftermath. Did you find the SACD to be too digital?
     
  12. celticbob

    celticbob Forum Resident

    Was No.2 released on CD? The self titled debut is listed. I am keeping an eye out to find these 2 CD's.
    Thanks
     
  13. musicore77

    musicore77 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't found one, so I made my own. But yeah, Japan did one.
     
  14. signothetimes53

    signothetimes53 Senior Member

    Pretty hard to find one...I bought one 5 years ago via ebay, but it's pretty beat up....I'd love to get one in really good condition.
     
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  15. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    Just another stupid question.

    Does anybody know what manufacturing facilities were used for so called 6th German pressings? And when those CDs were pressed?

    I mean CDs with clear center and matrix number partially printed on the 'silver'. Like these
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    Those that have MADE IN W GERMANY BY PDO or MADE IN GERMANY BY PMDC on silver center could be dated as 1988-1991 and appr. 1992- appr. 1994 , respectively.
     
  16. stef1205

    stef1205 Forum Resident

    Yes, Japanese P25L25033. Awesome CD - the only issue left to desire is that it doesn't have the stereo version of Everybody Needs Somebody To Love.
     
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  17. memphisman33

    memphisman33 Member

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    Question. Does Hot Rocks 1 have to have the banner, to not have the notorious fade ups?
     
  18. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    Short answer - yes.

    Additional criteria:
    Track list printed on CD.
    Matrix number 820 141-2 01* or 820 141-2 02#
    Like these. They were pressed in 1985
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    There is another one (strange pressing, I believe form 87 or 88)
    Matrix number 820 141-2 02# MADE IN W GERMANY BY PDO. This one is good too.
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    However, the one that looks identical but with matrix 820 141-2 03* MADE IN W GERMANY BY PDO has fade ups.
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    Confusing, isn't it?

    Anyway, if you need disc without fade ups - stay away from CDs without track list and booklets without red banner in upper left corner.
     
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  19. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    PS. To my previous post.
    Japanese P33L 25011, P25L 25047 and POCD 1927 are without fade ups too.
     
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  20. memphisman33

    memphisman33 Member

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    Thanks for the info. Like you said, there also is a strange pressing that's ok. Is this one? Sorry I couldn't crop it closer, but it's $24.99 $(KGrHqZ,!g4FEOqsND,gBRJt(kfqDw~~60_35.JPG on Ebay right now. Matrix #'s 820 141-2- 02
     
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  21. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

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    Nope.

    First - that 'strange' pressing is rare. I have one and can confirm, such a disc exists. Also it was mentioned once on Luke's forum http://forums.lukpac.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1832&hilit=rolling+stones+hot+rocks+1&start=15 but was not described/discussed in the list of London pressings http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_london_cds.html

    Second - the one from ebay is a later pressing (probably from 1990-1991) with so called 'new' or 'modern' logo (straight letters, no frame). I think those discs came with matrix 820 141-2 03* MADE IN W GERMANY BY PDO and have fade ups.

    All discs with modern logo and/or with matrix number different from 01* and 02# have fade ups. This seems to be a common knowledge.

    As a matter of fact at close up look on that ebay listing I see 03, but not 02. You can ask seller to be sure.

    Anyway it is overpriced - $10 is a very-very-very max for the disc in given state (and with fade ups, I presume).

    Still... Does anybody have any idea what manufacturing facilities were used for so called 6th German pressings? And when those CDs were pressed?
     
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  22. memphisman33

    memphisman33 Member

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    I am sorta bitter that I can't find an Aftermath or Hot Rocks 1 cd without fade ups. I have been searching for nearly a year. The only ones I find without fade ups are Japan made and or over $50.00 usually $59.99. I just can't spend that. I'm married and my wife isn't going to let me spend that kinda money. Especially since I have the SACD. Yes I have all The Rolling Stones songs on CD one way or another. Even rarities. I just wanted the wide stereo versions of these songs. Would be willing to pay for a CDR, but that's not legal. Although I wish they would make an execption. O well, I guess they're not attainable for me. Too bad.
     
  23. memphisman33

    memphisman33 Member

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    One more set of questions. How bad are the the fade ups? Disc Dogs has one for 6.99 (820 141-2-) probably with fade ups. Is it as bad as the drop outs in CBS Exile on Sweet Virginia? I can deal with that.
     
  24. mgoad30

    mgoad30 Forum Resident

    Are these better than the SACD's?
     
  25. Mark Wilson

    Mark Wilson Forum Resident

    Does one exist? I was doing some searches on this song the other day at lukpac and a couple other sites and don't recall a stereo version being mentioned. I thought it was a Regent recording and they were strictly mono. Would be interested to know if I'm wrong on that.

    Mark
     
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