Listenin' to Classical Music and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by bluemooze, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I wonder which mastering was used for the upcoming big Bruno Walter Complete Columbia Album Collection box (due out late June), the existing one or a brand new mastering.
     
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  2. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    I have not read anything yet about technical details. But, these Columbia boxes have generally been composed of remastered performances of most if not all material as I recollect.
     
  3. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

    Location:
    Berlin
    The Szell box was partly (for the most part?) remastered, right?
     
  4. ShallowMemory

    ShallowMemory Classical Princess

    Location:
    GB
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    Disc 12
    Debussy:
    Prélude á l'aprés d'un faune
    Nocturnes
    La Mer

    Ravel: Boléro
    All with Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatiore
    In the main the 1958 Salle Wagram sound fine with highly enjoyable performances although I could hear tape saturation in the climaxes of Boléro and a hint of 'gain riding' from those pre dolby A days.


    Disc 10
    Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
    Falla:
    Ritual Fire Dance
    Interlude-Danza No.1

    All with Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatiore
    You can hear clearly the Salle Wagram acoustics in the Berlioz and the french orchestras rich sounds having heard a few of theirs of this much recorded work which is very much a keeper in it 1963 analogue sound.
    The couplings are a little unexpected even if very well performed and captured technically.
     
  5. ShallowMemory

    ShallowMemory Classical Princess

    Location:
    GB
    Have that in boxed form for regular cd (great all rounder with excellent sound) and the LSO/Davis on sacd.
     
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  6. fogalu

    fogalu Forum Resident

    Location:
    Killarney, Ireland
    Just bought this set last week. Really enjoying it.
     
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  7. ShallowMemory

    ShallowMemory Classical Princess

    Location:
    GB
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    Franck Symphony in C with C.S.O.
    Stravinsky Pétroucka with Boston S.O.
    cond .Pierre Montreux 1961/59 (r) 2005 RCA/Bmg 82876-67897-2 three channel stereo sacd

    Dunno about this "Living Stereo" thing but I felt this set performances emerge out my speakers in spacious stereo with lots of air in highly enjoyable interpretations

    It arrived in today's mail intercepted to ensure the case didn't break.
     
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  8. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    The SQ of this box is excellent ...
     
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  9. Luisboa

    Luisboa Forum Resident

    Location:
    Coimbra, Portugal
    CD 4 - Nocturnes Vol. 2 (Adam Harasiewicz, piano)

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    Read so many bad reviews of this set before start listening to it that i was afraid it was pure garbage, but im enjoying it quite a lot so far. Even so i supose the nocturnes are not my favourite Chopin, though they are a masterpice off course.
     
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  10. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    There are many recordings of Haydn's late symphonies. If you're looking for some on LP, I can highly recommend Colin Davis conducting the Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam on the Philips label. These are polished performances with all the excitement, joy, grace and humor that Haydn built into them. The recordings are beautifully transparent and well-balanced. Here is a sample of what the jackets look like:

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    I also highly recommend the recordings of George Szell and The Cleveland Orchestra on Columbia Masterworks LPs. The performances are brilliant and the precision of that orchestra under Szell is simply stunning. Columbia's sonics are a notch below Philips, but the performances are so compelling that I simply don't mind.
    Columbia released many of these on single LPs, but did put out one box set with the first six of the Haydn "London" symphonies:

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    For me, Davis and Szell are at the top of the heap. Not sure what LPs you might encounter in your searches, but some other good ones that come to mind are Neville Marriner on Philips, Eugen Jochum on Deutsche Grammophon, and Antal Dorati on London.

    Note that for these "late" symphonies, I prefer an orchestra with some weight--such as those above. For Haydn's earlier works, smaller ensembles often seem better suited. YMMV. :)
     
  11. Byrdsmaniac

    Byrdsmaniac Forum Resident

    Amen to all of the above! I also like Klemperer's Hadyn for a change of pace.
     
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  12. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    Absolutely! I have some of Kemperer's on Angel.

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  13. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    :edthumbs: I may grab the SACD as well ...
     
  14. crispi

    crispi Vinyl Archaeologist

    Location:
    Berlin
    Thanks for the Szell recommendation! I find Davis’ not bad, but they’re a bit _too_ polished in my opinion.

    Too bad Trevor Pinnock never recorded the late symphonies. He did record the middle (Sturm und Drang) symphonies and a disc of early ones, and those recordings just jump out of the speakers, full of energy and wit and elegance—they’re favourites of mine.
     
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  15. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    I have all the Haydn Symphonies by Pinnock and the "incomplete" box by Hogwood. I have no need for that Decca Haydn Symphonies where they cobbled together recordings by three different conductors and therefore three different styles ...
     
  16. andolink

    andolink Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scottsdale, AZ
    Michel Pignolet de Montéclair (1667-1737): Cantatas

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  17. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

    Location:
    SF
    Awesome post thanks! I'll keep an eye out for all of this.
    :cheers:
     
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  18. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

    Location:
    CT, USA
    There are a lot of garbage reviews out there or perhaps people just do not like big box with many different pianists. I have the same Chopin box without the vocal works. Adam Harasiewicz had a big following in the 60's when he recorded exclusively for Philips. Bella Davidovich, now retires in NY, is an excellent pianist to my ears and I have a number of single recordings by her. These are only two of the pianists that I recall offhand. I hope to return to this box some times but I have not done sooner since I have at least 200 Chopin recordings in my collection and I found out it is far easier for me to have a second listen on CD singles than a big box ...
     
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  19. mrwolk

    mrwolk One and a half ears...no waiting!

    Location:
    Ottawa, Canada
    I usually don't check out the cds for sale at thrift stores...most of the time they look like they were cleaned with a Brillo pad...just for the heck of it i browsed through the stacks and found this souvenir from the early days of the cd in the 80's.
    The selections featured on this Philips digital sampler aren't that shabby either...not bad for .70 cents!..and to think back in the 80's i thought i was getting a deal on a used cd for $10...and used vinyl was usually a buck or two..how things have changed.
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  20. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    The Szell recordings might have been remastered for that recent Sony big box. Does anybody know?

    "...energy and wit and elegance..." brings to mind a couple of other sets:

    Nonesuch produced a complete box set of the twelve "London Symphonies" performed by Leslie Jones and the Little Orchestra of London that puts emphasis on wit, energy, and elegance--in that order! Jones understands the fun side of these works; in fact I might describe his interpretations as rollicking and, at times, raucous with brass, winds, and timpani right in your face. Sometimes, I'm in the mood for that--the "change of pace," as mentioned earlier. I think even Haydn would get a kick out these.

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    The recordings are a bit dry and forward and Nonesuch's pressings don't help much, either, but my ear quickly adapts and I'm okay with it. There is a small online outfit called "Haydn House" that offers needle drops of these records on CD, supposedly tweaking the sonics for a better presentation, but I've never done a comparison.

    Another LP edition I play on occasion are those by Bernstein and the NY Philharmonic, which managed to belt out some movements with loads of energy... big time! Columbia's sonics are all over the map, but serviceable. With Bernstein and forces, however, one must give them considerable latitude. Unlike Szell, who could drive the Cleveland Orchestra at a breathless pace with absolute accuracy, Bernstein was more about just getting there and less about how he got there. Thus, the NYP can sound a little ragged at times, but the sheer vitality and zeal these guys project makes me smile. :)
     
  21. Mugrug12

    Mugrug12 nothing gold can stay

    Location:
    SF
    Speaking of Szell last night I played this. Goosebump inducing. In my meager classical collection I have 3 performances of Sibelius #2 and this my favorite. Also an amazing recording imho...

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  22. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Just checked the accompanying book and, as John Fowler said in his review of the box on Amazon, "The remastering credits for this box are quite complicated". He couldn't be more right. The credits suggest that most tracks were remastered, but I can't say if they remastered the complete set. The sound is excellent, though.
     
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  23. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Chevelle Ma Belle

    Location:
    Mid Atlantic
    Heinrich Isaac: Missa La Sol/Motets/Songs. Ruhland, Capella Antiqua. German Telefunken black gold label.

    I only have two LPs of Isaac and he doesn't seem well represented on CDs. There is another LP put out by by the Hilliard Ensemble in the 80s but I have not seen it. It must be rare. Not sure why since his music is quite accessible and melodic.

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  24. StarThrower62

    StarThrower62 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Central NY
  25. ibanez_ax

    ibanez_ax Forum Resident

    CD 1. String Quartet in A minor, op. 41 #1 & String Quartet in A, op. 41 #3.
    Jpc.de had this greatly reduced, plus I had a 20% voucher, so I took a chance. I like what I'm hearing so far.

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