Listenin' to Jazz and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lonson, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. Yesternow

    Yesternow Forum Resident

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    This is something already discussed, but it's a recurrent question I ask myself.

    What's with modern jazz albums that just don't grab my attention as old ones do?

    I recon that in a lot of cases they even sound better and the players are technically more evolved, but...

    My latest conclusion is that the problem is not what's missing but what is in excess. Are they just too perfect?
     
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  2. Fender Relic

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    Vinyl preferred
     
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  3. Fender Relic

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    Bingo! At least in part....it's complicated.
     
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  4. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Prince of Darkness

    Hawkins was one of the greats for sure. I feel similarly about Ben Webster. These cats had something special. I never quite got into Lester Young, though.
     
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  5. Six String

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    NP Bobby Hutcherson - Spiral (Blue Note) LT series
     
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  6. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

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    Donald Byrd "At the Half Note Vol. 2" Blue Note TOCJ Japan cd

    Love the swinging sound and arrangements of this Byrd unit. So sad Duke Pearson left us so young.
     
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  7. Stu02

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    I dont think of that sample as free jazz but maybe thats just me. On ECM confluence of the birds might be free jazz
    But most ECM artists i would not think of as free jazz. I also dont think melodic would be an adjective i would use for free jazz though there are some melodic components sometimes .
    Im not an expert here and free jazz is a vague hard to pin down kind of genre anyways.
    I do like talking about these terms though as I find it helps me see the patterns in jazz.:)
    I think of someone like Braxton as free jazz
     
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  8. Stu02

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    Well put Les. Precisely
     
  9. chervokas

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    I doubt perfection or "technical evolution" or anything like that has anything to do with it.

    I mean, just thinking of some of the new jazz albums I've really enjoyed this year, I don't think JD Allen's Love Stone features playing that's "technically more evolved" than the playing on A Love Supreme. I don't think Rudy Royston's Flatbed Buggy is "too perfect" (not that there can be degrees of perfection, something is either perfect or not perfect) compared with Saxophone Colossus or something. I don't think the Fred Hersch Trio's Live in Europe is by any measure "excessive" compared to, say Bill Evans' Sunday at the Vanguard.

    There certainly are contemporary jazz albums that are in very different styles than a lot of old favorites -- Ambrose Akinmusrie's Origami Harvest, which was the one album in any genre that really knocked me out this year, is a different sort of back that the three previously mentioned albums -- it's a trumpet/keyboard/drums trio plus rapper plus string quartet performing a cycle of hybridized music. I find it absolutely enthralling in a way that nothing else enthralled me this year (and I've not had that experience before with other music from Akinmusrie or other music that blends hip hop and jazz). So, the fact that the new stuff may be in a different style of jazz might be something that keeps some fans of old jazz away from some new jazz.

    Maybe there's also romance about the old that's not there with the new. And certainly there's a kind of, not a confirmation bias exactly, but you know you're listening to a classic, and you're listening to something comfortable and, maybe, familiar (at least in style if not in exact piece of music) -- much the same way many classical concertgoers seem more comfortable with old favorites than a bill of all new world premieres.
     
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  10. Stu02

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    For me romantic admittedly is part of it. I love the historical context and the excitement of new forms of jazz tumbling over one another as in the 20 years post parker. But if i am honest i do romanticise it. Not sure thats a good reason but it is what it is.
    Its also easier to find great albums as they have been vetted for decades. The wheat has been sorted from the chaff compared to todays onslaught of new music
    I do listen to new stuff but only about 15% of the time
     
  11. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

    "Music From Odds Against Tomorrow Played by the Modern Jazz Quartet" Blue Note cd

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  12. scottpaul_iu

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    Wynton Kelly - Kelly At Midnight

    Paul Chambers - Bass
    Philly Joe Jones - Drums

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  13. Jacline

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    Your dad is right. :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

    I assumed that. For over six decades he's tried to convince me of that with some success. ;)

    Plus he has written six biographies, a book on how life is as a preacher, and translated hundreds of Amharic proverbs into English (with the help of Ethiopian scholar Fisseha Demodza). And a few years ago re-read the complete works of Shakespeare. As I said, he knows words.
     
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  15. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

    Cassandra Wilson "Days Aweigh"

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  16. Jacline

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    1) I *love* seeing Renée Fleming appear on this thread! :agree:

    2) Dear Kevin, if you want a forum member to find, for example, Renée Fleming mentioned in the SH forums, please type in the information about the album to accompany the image or clip you're posting. That is very helpful. (But only if you remember to do it, my friend. It's not a prerequisite.)
     
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  17. Jacline

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    I was missing Tubby and I didn't even know it. Thanks for the reminder, Berthold.
     
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  18. Jacline

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    :D
     
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  19. Jacline

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    Good grief. What an accomplished man. Amazing, Lon!
     
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  20. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

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    "Erik Satie and Friends" Original Album Collection box set, disc 2

    It's all mono material so far but exquisitely mastered.
     
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  21. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

    Yes, he cast a big shadow, so big that I had to put a lot of miles between us when we were both younger so that I could become myself, and not be "Reverend Armstrong's son, COMMA, Lon." Now I'm so lucky to be close to him and have great times helping him but also just hanging out.
     
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  22. Jacline

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    Playing Andrew Hill now. I love his oeuvre without reservation. That doesn't mean that I don't understand what a few posters here have been talking about. (Hey, I still don't "get" the T. Monk appeal myself, like, *not at all*, so... We're all allowed :))

    I love reading discussions like that on the thread, BTW.

    I don't have any problems with Hill's organized modal post-bop semi-chaos. But with Chris Botti, on the other hand... Don't get me started ;)

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    Andrew Hill (and great friends!), Black Fire (1963). (His first Blue Note album, correct?)
     
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  23. G L Tirebiter

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    Found one at the local GW a while back. Cleaned up OK too.

    But I think you knew that.


    Currently have Ole Coltrane on the CD player (from the Atlantic Mono box).
     
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  24. G L Tirebiter

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    Yes, first for Blue Note.
     
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  25. Lonson

    Lonson An Old Disestablishmentarianismist Thread Starter

    Disc 3 now.
     

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