Listenin' to Jazz and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lonson, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    Oh well, we all can’t like the same things. Kirk was a talented musician, but I’ve just never really appreciated him on the same level as you and others have.
     
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  2. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    True that’s what keeps things interesting. I started to play sax myself as an adult and I think it changed my ideas about things drastically. I’m less harsh as a critic and more appreciative of good, solid, expressive musicianship.

    I used to think Rahsaan was kind of a gimmicky guy with all the horns etc. He was a little schticky at times, but it got people’s attention. Behind it was a great woodwinds player. :)
     
  3. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    I certainly enjoyed The Inflated Tear more this time around than in the past. Of course, I never disputed his musicianship, so there’s no reason to argue that point with me as I’m quite aware of what he was doing and how well he did it. It’s just that his ideas don’t always register with me as being very good. One of my biggest problems with his music, outside of his own playing, was how I believed he hogged the spotlight and didn’t let his band have many opportunities to improvise and when they did, it seemed like they weren’t able to fully flesh out their ideas because he was just so ready to jump in or, worse, cut them off completely. A part of being a good musician, and leader in Kirk’s case, is knowing when to take a backseat and let the musicians you choose to play in your band take the music in a direction that you, otherwise, wouldn’t have thought about it going in. With Kirk, the music has always felt one-sided to me, which I suppose is another reason as to why I don’t enjoy his music that much.
     
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  4. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    I think this was one of his biggest weaknesses.

    I didn’t mean to argue the point. Just to explain myself, as in having a conversation. Social Media is an imperfect communication tool.:wave:
     
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  5. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    No problem, Sneaky Pete. Enjoy the music. :cool:
     
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  6. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues Thread Starter

    All this talk of RRK made me pull out one of my very favorites:

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    "Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata." Warner Japan 24 bit cd.

    Kirk is a musician I'll never tire of. One of the few real geniuses. Very few had such a broad yet detailed knowledge of African-American music and contributed so much. What a man.
     
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  7. vanhooserd

    vanhooserd Senior Member

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    No. I think 'Timeless' was his first. Gateway is actually the name of the trio with Holland & DeJohnette. Most of the compositions on the album are by Holland. They made several other albums over the years since.
     
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  8. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    Miles Davis: ’Round About Midnight (MFSL hybrid SACD)

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  9. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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  10. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues Thread Starter

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  11. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    Same here. So far, I have nothing negative to say about any of MFSL’s Miles releases yet. The only ones I haven’t head are On the Corner and Miles in the Sky. Hope to rectify this tomorrow.
     
  12. mwheelerk

    mwheelerk Sorry, I can't talk now, I'm listening to music...

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    I share your mystery
     
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  13. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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  14. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    Miles Davis: ’Four’ & More (MFSL hybrid SACD)

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    Throw some water on Miles, George, Herbie, Ron, and Tony. They’re on fire!
     
  15. jerico

    jerico Forum Resident

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    Live-Evil and Tribute to Jack Johnson and On the Corner - just a fantastic stretch of music.
     
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  16. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

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    I particularly like his '60s work, too. Rip, Rig & Panic; Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edit; We Free Kings; The Inflated Tear; I Talk with the Spirits, a great flute album. A Meeting of the Times with Al Hibbler is fun, but otherwise I've had trouble really getting into his '70s records. I haven't heard 'em all, though, so there's still hope for me.
     
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  17. SJR

    SJR Big Boss Man

  18. dzhason

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    Kai Winding’s New Jazz Group/Krazy Kat’s - 12/14/1945 Session (from Mosaic’s Savoy Bebop Sessions)

    Shorty Rogers - trumpet; Kai Winding - trombone; Stan Getz - tenor sax; Shorty Allen - piano; Iggy Shevack - bass; Shelly Manne - drums

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  19. Jacline

    Jacline Forum Resident

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    Out of laziness :sigh:, I grabbed this box a few years ago and I am perfectly content with the music on the albums that are included. I think they "represent" very well. At this point, I don't think I'll seek (or need) more Rahsaan. Though I've been dead wrong before about music matters like this.
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    From a review on Rate Your Music describing what the set includes:

    "Great collection

    Contains Rahsaan's Mercury output from 1961-1965:
    • We Free Kings
    • Domino
    • Reeds and Deeds
    • Rip, Rig and Panic
    • I Talk With the Spirits
    • Slightly Latin
    • Copenhagen Concert (upped to 2 full CDs from the 1963 vinyl release)
    plus singles, alternate takes, a performance at the Newport Jazz festival, and some Quincy Jones dates that only feature Kirk as a sideman"​
     
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  20. Mirror Image

    Mirror Image Forum Resident

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    Indeed. I’ve heard all of the material from this period before, but it’s really been a long time since I’ve listened to any of the more off-the-beaten-track recordings like Live-Evil, Dark Magus, Agharta, and the compilations like Big Fun and Get Up With It, etc.
     
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  21. Electric

    Electric The Medium is the Massage

    I used to have that but no matter what I played it on the recording sounded bright. Was one of the first SACDs I bought.
     
  22. vinylsolution

    vinylsolution Forum Resident

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    Nice set here, Hard Driving Jazz, also released under the title "Stereo Drive", but since mine is a mono pressing... Later reissued as "Coltrane Time", an early example of the cash grab. The original has some guy named "Blue Train" on tenor, guess he found himself contractually a few years later.


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  23. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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    It is a bit trebly, and the bass and midrange are perhaps too recessed. Whether this is a feature of the SACD or the original recording, I can't say but it doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment.
     
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  24. Berthold

    Berthold "When you swing....swing some more!" -- Th. Monk

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    Thanks @Jacline, that´s what I feel!
     
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  25. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues Thread Starter

    Fantastic music and fantastic players, and this used to be where I "lived" with RRK. But when Dorn got his hands on him at Atlantic and encouraged him to be fully himself artistically (which with Kirk meant with his whole being) the music and the presentation really changed, and I really LOVE that transformation. I can't be without the music after the Mercury/Limelight years.
     
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