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Little Richard Penniman - The Best Of Speciality?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Sckott, Nov 8, 2002.

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  1. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only. Thread Starter

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
    Anyone know the best cohesive set that was done for Little Richard? It's on my grocery list this week... Rhino? Ace? Specialty?
     
  2. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Sckott,

    I like the Specialty set over the Rhino. I have not heard the Ace set. I also have the Specialty box as well that includes Larry Williams, Sam Cooke and host of other R & B acts including Little Richard, of course.

    Bob
     
  3. ZIPGUN99

    ZIPGUN99 Active Member

    speaking of Little Richard, I have several singles by Larry Williams, Percy Mayfield, and others on the specialty label that sound fantastic--but my 5 or 6 little richard singles on specialty sound a bit dodgy. I wonder if they were e.q.'ed for 78 and they kept making singles off that same tape, or if that mattered.
     
  4. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    The first generation tapes were used on the Specialty "Essential Little Richard" comp which was mastered by Little Walter DeVenne. The masters sounded great to begin with.
     
  5. ZIPGUN99

    ZIPGUN99 Active Member

    My rhino Little Richard is from 1985.
    (produced for CD release by Bill Inglot.
    Digital prep and tranfers by Bill Inglot & Ken Perry at K-Disc LA

    all mono, 'cept Bama Lama Bama Loo, which is in Stereo.

    1985! that's a long time ago!
     
  6. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    What about the "Georgia Peach" and "Shag on Down to the Union Hall" sets on Specialty? How's the sound on those?

    lschwart
     
  7. ZIPGUN99

    ZIPGUN99 Active Member

    They probably sound good. Little Walter does good work. I got some of the doo wop CD's he did for Relic records.
     
  8. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Little Walter is my buddy, and I owe him a lot. But he compresses the hell out of everything, to match the old 45's, compromising dynamic range. I always kid him that if he wants the sound of the old 45's, he should add some surface noise while he's at it.

    Sigh.

    Get the Little Richard on ACE. I was with them a long time ago when they were transferring the stuff to digital from the session tapes. It's the real deal on ACE.
     
  9. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Steve,

    Thanks - another CD to purchase! :sigh:

    Bob:)
     
  10. Mike V

    Mike V New Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Is the Ace CD in print?
     
  11. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Mike,

    According to their website, yes!


    www.acerecords.co.uk


    There are several choices available!

    Bob:)
     
  12. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only. Thread Starter

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
  13. Mike V

    Mike V New Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Excellent!

    Sckott - Bob & me both ;)

    It's a nasty habit...!
     
  14. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

  15. Ed Bishop

    Ed Bishop Incredibly, I'm still here

    :rolleyes: There are several ways to go here. The Ace comp is probably the best example of the actual master tape sound; THE GEORGIA PEACH was mastered by Gordon Skene and Kirk Felton, and Billy Vera did the production work; he and Skene worked on those early '90s Vee-Jay discs that went out of print so fast. That one's a good survey of the classics. For a fly-on-the-wall take on the sessions, Specialty's 3-CD Little Richard box is also good fun, with a great booklet and session info.
    I agree with Steve that Little Walter does compress things, but for me it works, if only because he tends to deal in mono tapes, real vintage stuff, and wants that 'old sound,' rather than the best possible sound off the masters. That is, he goes for pure authenticity, rather than offer the full-range sound from the masters. Not everybody digs that, of course, but his Relic work I found to be very enjoyable.

    ED:cool:
     
  16. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Ed, read your last paragraph again. He wants an "old" sound rather than the best possible sound from the master tapes???? Unless Walter includes an old mono Webcor record player with each disc sold, I'm not buying it!!!!! :rolleyes:
     
  17. Ed Bishop

    Ed Bishop Incredibly, I'm still here

    I'm not quoting the man, so let me rephrase that. I think what he's after is for something like Maurice Williams' "Stay" to have the same dynamics and tone of a mint Herald 45 or 78; nothing more and nothing less(though he's the guy to ask; shame he doesn't visit the Forum, but I get the impression the critics of his work really bug the hell out of him). I think he deals with stereo tapes differently; his work on the Rivieras and the RAGING HARLEM HIT PARADE CDs is indicative that he does care about sound quality, a lot. And, to be fair, he's worked with some pretty rough tapes through the years from some obscure labels. In fact, I thought he ran into trouble when he did stereo work, like the Relic Belmonts disc. As much as I enjoy the stereo, it actually sounds too unauthentic at times, too clean, as odd as that might seem(and it sure doesn't sound compressed at all, what is stereo--pretty wide, full sound). I still get a kick out of it--who woulda thunk "Tell Me Why" would ever turn up in real stereo--but compared to the original Sabina/Sabrina 45s, well....I didn't toss out my copy of CARNIVAL OF HITS, put it that way. Compressed or not, those 45's really cook, and that's the sound I remember, and would have preferred.
    But, as the old cliche goes, never look a gift horse in the mouth, and Walter has turned up some pretty interesting stuff over the years. Like you, he cares about his music a lot; everybody in the business should be a fan as well as what their actual job is. I always liked that about him.

    ED:cool:
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Yes, Little Walter is a good guy and a very great friend of mine. But, as I've told him many times, I HAVE the squashed sounding 45's already and although I love to play them when I'm in the mood, I like fidelity and dynamics if they exist on the tapes, especially in oldies. They sound SO much better with the dynamic range left intact.

    It's like getting a chance to do a video remastering of "Ozzie & Harriet" from the camera negative and then reducing all the nice contrast to shades of fuzzy gray because THAT'S HOW IT LOOKED ON THE OLD 1950'S TELEVISIONS!

    Madness to go in that direction. What's the point? :confused:
     
  19. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

    Location:
    Richmond, VA
    Of the various ACE comps., which is the one to get? The website lists four compilations in addition to the 6 disk Specialty Box and two 3 cd sets ("Specialty Sessions" and "Three Original Specialty Albums").

    lschwart
     
  20. Ed Bishop

    Ed Bishop Incredibly, I'm still here

    :D Okay, Steve, the gauntlet has been thrown...any chance YOU could work on some of those tapes? Some of that stuff, I'm not sure I've ever heard it any other way. An enticing thought....especially that Belmonts' stuff. You've worked on a lot of things...a Herald/Ember or Coed comp might be a nice addition to the canon...

    ED:cool:
     
  21. Ed Bishop

    Ed Bishop Incredibly, I'm still here

    I believe the disc referred to is 22 CLASSIC CUTS[Ace CDCH 195]from 1986.

    ED:cool:
     
  22. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Ed, Walter is the rightful "keeper of the obscure oldies tapes". Without Walter (and the late Bob Hyde), most of that stuff would have hit the scrap heap. Walter deserves his crown.

    I didn't mean to ride ya so hard, pal, but think about this. If Little Walter had mastered "Buddy Holly- From The Original Master Tapes" and reduced the amazing dynamic range down to old squashed 45 RPM style, would you have like liked it? ;)
     
  23. Matt

    Matt New Member

    Location:
    Illinois
    For some reason, 22 Classic Cuts has been downgraded to just "Classic Cuts," with two tracks thrown out. Not two of his best-known or beloved recordings, but it brings to question whether they remastered the CD as well. Just a heads up.
     
  24. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only. Thread Starter

    Location:
    South Plymouth, Ma
    Yes, Ace's website says the older disc always outsold the newer one, so they keep both of them on board. Weird.

    Trying to find a mail order for this ACE title might be a little tough, but I'm glad to hear what you had to say Steve. You're ablsolutely right, and I subscribe to that train of thinking. Hell, after hearing Vintage MCA you did with Steppenwolf and Fontella Bass, that blows me away constantly.

    The master tapes were done with vigor and liveliness. That's what makes listening so much fun.
     
  25. Ed Bishop

    Ed Bishop Incredibly, I'm still here

    I hear ya, Steve. And I don't mind you 'riding me'; I need a push or kick every now and then, and I can take it--it's the masochist in me:D :D
    Point well taken on the Holly--or Haley, for that matter. Both of those were a revelation to me, and probably the two big reasons I became a fan of yours. And the VINTAGE MUSIC comps. On occasion I have to remind newcomers you had nothing to do with Vols. 11-20 beyond choosing the tracks(am I right on that?). You had left MCA by the time the tapes were assembled, and it was obvious they didn't always use what you had in mind. Didn't remaster it the way you would have, either.

    ED:cool:
     
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