I think it depends on your system synergy. I have a Lyra Kleos as well, and while I'd say it runs a little on the "hotter hif-fi" end of the spectrum, it works well in my all-tube system and DeVore speakers which provides a very rich overall presentation. If your system leans towards bright I'd agree that Lyra carts probably aren't the best match. I also run a Shelter 7000 which is much more organic and provides a much different experience than the Lyra. I do like having both and feel that the Lyra extracts more detail and probably bit more extension on both end of the range. Just depends on my mood....I have them mounted on separate headshells so swapping isn't too bog of a chore...just VTA , VTF, and azimuth. I think @avanti1960 is running tubes (or at least a Cary SLP-05 tube pre). I suspect the Lyra will sound great through his setup.