Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by dirwuf, Nov 25, 2013.
I thought Bert's sister was a silent partner.
Somebody on Reddit mentioned that Bert's sister was named Alice. Assuming she has the same last name, her name is Alice Cooper.
Robert Morse on the season finale and playing Bert Cooper:
Don't wanna turn this into an argument but there have been more than a few Draper "dreams' over the course of the show. The "real" Mrs. Draper appearing to him in his office after she dies is at least one that comes to mind.
I know you don't like the subject matter which I understand, but I'd give Hannibal the nod for best looking show on TV right now. Of course it's a different pallate, but along with the best sound design on TV, it's certainly up at the very top.
Here's another interview with Morse, this time from The New York Times' ArtsBeat:
Mr. Morse is 83! Hope I can still dance at that age .
It is great cinematography, but I think Breaking Bad had it beat (though I think you were referencing current shows?).
No, I would put Mad Men much higher on the list in terms of making actual beautiful shots. Breaking Bad was gritty and harsh a lot of the time, but I think that was perfectly appropriate for the story they were trying to tell.
Too dark for me. But The Americans is far darker and uglier still. The Blacklist would be my idea of a show that embraces some pretty dark looks and goes for a lot of style sometimes, but it looks consistently good throughout. Mad Men goes for a much more lush, bright, upbeat look, so in that sense it's more like a high-fashion commercial, which is different from anything else on the air.
Roger Sterling's last words to Bert Cooper - "Let's have another cup of coffee, let's have another piece of pie..." are lines from the song "Let's Have Another Cup of Coffee". If you are a fan of the 1973 film 'Paper Moon' you may have recognized these lines as the song (the 1933 version by Enric Madriguera below) are used in that film. Just not sure which version Roger is referencing in that scene.
I would agree that MM has more "beautiful shots" than BB. I just made an off-center reply. You were just talking about how good it looks; I mistook that for how good the cinematography was. I don't think anything compares w/ BB's cinematography. Plenty of beautiful shots, but gritty when the mood called for it, as you said. But esp. the many inventive camera angles are what I think makes it tops.
And in other news, Mad Men creator Matt Weiner just made a statement that the ending of the show is "set in stone," and there will be no spin-offs:
The show's ratings are not doing well -- the finale hit just under 2 million viewers -- but the critical raves are pretty unanimous.
it's really a travesty, but it's also not surprising. remember: "nothing happens". i guess it needs an occasional zombie.
i am honestly thankful that the show has been on at all and will end properly. it's truly an outstanding series.
That's because it's gone downhill and people lost interest in it........
This last one was good and 1 other - the rest where just boring or mehh.....
I have a feeling it's just going to be disappointing watching the last few to the conclusion & after all it's the end!!!
I have seen a few negative things that people say on Facebook about Mad Men - "It's too slow." or "Not enough zombies." (just look a the AMC page for those comments!) or "I liked the earlier '50s cocktail culture era better." (which has me scratching my head).
It is an incredible television drama that will stand the test of time.
Can't believe no one has mentioned Don's secretary. She was my laugh-out-loud moment during the episode.
Naw, I think it's just a very intellectual show that has a lot of nuance and depth, and this is hard to sell to a mass audience who's used to action and suspense and all that stuff. This is a very character-driven show, as opposed to a plot-driven show, so what propels the series forward is all kind of vague and ephemeral. I like it quite a bit, but it's definitely a slow-paced, measured show that requires your constant attention, plus you have to really think about and interpret what's going on, so it might be too much effort for a lot of the audience. It's clearly not a show for the Walking Dead crowd.
I like both shows, but it's a left brain/right brain kind of thing. I love prime rib, but I can eat a cheeseburger once in awhile. This show is clearly the former and not the latter.
The insidiously sinister concept that television is destroying the family dinner hour and is saved by a fast food franchise is just one of the brilliant reasons why this show may fly past the minds of most.
The rise of American consumerism told with a near slight of hand magic highlights an oblivion of the human soul still proceeding almost undetected. Kudos to the creators. The show will most likely be studied in sociology courses.
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They're both gorgeous and brilliant shows, but their look is apples and oranges. I totally agree when Vidiot says 'Mad Men' is perhaps the most beautiful show on TV right now. 'Breaking Bad''s cinematography was perhaps more daring and inventive, but it wasn't always necessarily 'beautiful' simply because of the subject matter. It was very story-driven and always great. There were moments of pure beauty of course, especially with those New Mexico colors and landscapes (I LOVE New Mexico, I lived there for a bit and visit often).
Both shows use their locations as characters, which I love. New Mexico's thick and rugged colors were almost alive in 'BB'. 'Mad Men' masterfully comes up with completely different feels for New York and California scenes. Both of these shows pushed dramatic TV storytelling and production beyond the cutting edge in quality and will be admired for years to come.
There's that phrase "pregnant with possibilities," but yeah, I also thought it was a bit odd.
I sort of looked at it as if Don were saying Pete is already "pregnant"---all wound up for the account, all in---he has to go through with "the marriage" and won't care how it comes about.
I have a hunch that this SC&P acquisition may not go thru so smoothly....are we really going to come back to everyone being happy millionaires? Something is going to mess it up, and I think Ted or perhaps even Bob Benson will be in the middle of it.
She was a silent partner in the original S&C. I assume she cashed in when the Brits bought it, and was not involved in the resurrected version(s) of the company. She may still inherit his portion though.
However sentimental all parties involved might be, I don't think Morse would be showing up for table readings just for old times sake. I'd venture to guess that we have not seen the last of the ghost of Bert.
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