Manfred Mann with Jack Bruce - mono and stereo questions

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  1. revolution_vanderbilt

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    Jack Bruce spent some time in Manfred Mann before forming Cream.

    Outside of BBC work, he cut 19 songs with the group. I want to identify all mixes of these songs, and where they were first released.

    Machines MONO: First released on Machines EP, April 1, 1966
    Machines STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    She Needs Company MONO: First released on Machines EP, April 1, 1966
    Tennessee Waltz MONO: First released on Machines EP, April 1, 1966
    Tennessee Waltz STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    When Will I Be Loved MONO: First released on Machines EP, April 1, 1966
    When Will I Be Loved STEREO:

    Pretty Flamingo MONO: First released on Pretty Flamingo/You're Standing By single, April 15, 1966
    Pretty Flamingo STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    You're Standing By MONO: First released on Pretty Flamingo/You're Standing By single, April 15, 1966
    You're Standing By STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966

    Still I'm Sad MONO: First released on Instrumental Asylum EP, June 3, 1966
    Still I'm Sad STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967
    My Generation MONO: First released on Instrumental Asylum EP, June 3, 1966
    My Generation STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967
    (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction MONO: First released on Instrumental Asylum EP, June 3, 1966
    (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967
    I Got You Babe MONO: First released on Instrumental Asylum EP, June 3, 1966
    I Got You Babe STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967

    She Needs Company (2) MONO: First released on Mann Made (Canadian Capitol issue), June 6, 1966

    It's Getting Late MONO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    It's Getting Late STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    Driva Man MONO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966
    Driva Man STEREO: First released on Pretty Flamingo LP, July 19, 1966

    I Wanna Be Rich MONO: first released on Just Like A Woman/I Wanna Be Rich single, July 29, 1966
    I Wanna Be Rich STEREO:

    Spirit Feel MONO: First released on Mann Made Hits, September 9, 1966
    Spirit Feel STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967

    That's All I Ever Want From You Baby MONO: First released on Aswas EP, October 21, 1966
    That's All I Ever Want From You Baby STEREO:

    Tengo Tango MONO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967
    Tengo Tango STEREO: First released on Soul Of Mann, January 13, 1967

    Come Home Baby MONO: First released on The Best Of Manfred Mann 1992

    Let It Be Me MONO: first released on Ascent Of Mann, 1997

    So, for three tracks, I can't figure out where the stereo versions originate from: When Will I Be Loved, I Wanna Be Rich, and That's All I Ever Want From You Baby. Any help (and corrections if need be!) greatly appreciated!

    Maybe I Wanna Be Rich is in stereo on the 1967 compilation One Way, but the labels say stereo and mono compatible, and does not specify tracks. On CD, the track is in stereo on Ascent Of Mann.
     
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    I can't seem to find I Wanna Be Rich in stereo on CD earlier than Ascent Of Mann

    And When Will I Be Loved and That's All I Ever Want From You Baby no earlier than Down The Road Apiece (The EMI Years.) Are these their stereo debuts?
     
  4. qm1ceveb

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    Being a big Jack Bruce fan and also a fan of Manfred Mann, I wish I could help but I haven't got a clue. I didn't know Jack recorded so many tracks with the Manfreds.

    I have 25 Mann CDs in my collection (no vinyl) and yes, the only stereo versions of those 3 songs are in The Ascent of Mann (first title) and Down the road apiece (second and third).
     
  5. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Jack's face squirmed when he was asking for suggestions for songs to play from his back catalog..I shouted out Manfred Mann, yes he looked aghast.
     
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  6. ajsmith

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    Fascinating. He was also briefly in The Hollies in the same year - be interesting to compile a similar list of tracks he recorded with them.
     
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  7. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Too squeaky clean for Jack's purest jazz/blues roots methinks.
     
  8. ash1

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    I think he might only be on After The Fox with Peter Sellers/The Hollies. It's possible he did a radio session with them but I think they got Klaus Voormann in for a few days after and maybe he did the radio show(s) and some other dates before Bernie Calvert joined ? Haydock apparently came back temporarily as well ?? Maybe for a TV show ???
    Didn't Klaus then go on to replace Jack in Manfred Mann ?
     
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  9. Billo

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    The Hollies 'squeaky clean' was purely the image they wanted

    - Jack Bruce played only on 'After The Fox' in 1966 tho' his band's keyboardist Tony Hymas later worked with The Hollies in 1979 when they covered Jack's tracks; 'Song of The Sun', 'Maybe it's Dawn' and 'Something To Live For' all written by Tony Hymas-Pete Brown featuring Tony on keyboards

    future Led Zep bassist John Paul Jones plays bass on The Hollies 1966 song; 'Don't Run And Hide' ('B' side of 'Bus Stop')

    Klaus deputised on bass guitar with The Hollies both on a UK TV show ("Sunday Night at The London Palladium') and for a BBC Radio session just before he joined Manfred Mann

    Bernie Calvert played bass on 'Bus Stop' in May 1966 then joined The Hollies full time in Autumn 1966 - Eric Haydock briefly returned in June 1966 to promote 'Bus Stop' on BBC's 'Top of The Pops' show

    Klaus replaced Jack Bruce in Manfred Mann when Jack left for a brief stint with John Mayall then of course Cream

    tho' initially Klaus plays recorder on their 1966 debut Fontana (Philips) release the EP 'Instrumental Assassination' (with original member Dave Richmond on bass)

    curiously despite playing bass guitar Jack Bruce is NOT featured on the cover of the 1966 EP 'Machines' (just Manfred, Paul, Tom, and Mike)...but Jack IS then on the cover of the EP 'Instrumental Asylum' along with Henry Lowther and Lyn Dobson plus Manfred, Tom, and Mike
     
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  10. qm1ceveb

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    BTW, I find Eric Haydock an exceptional bassist and his replacement Bernie inferior. Thoughts?
     
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    I do like Bernie's bass playing but Eric Haydock was a very very good bass player as can be seen and heard in live videos of the band. In fact, one of the things that gets overshadowed in The Hollies is just how good they were as musicians. Bobby Elliott could have drummed for anyone and been good, seriously, he would have been superb in The Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc...
    Haydock was great (and an early 6-string bass user) and Tony Hicks was/is a mighty fine and under-rated guitarist. That their work is so vocal dominated and that the band don't get the respect they deserve in general means those 3 get somewhat overlooked when discussing top beat group musicians.
    Sad that Allan Clarke's voice is gone and that band relations aren't great because that classic Clarke, Nash, Hicks, Haydock, Elliott line-up are all still with us and with Calvert on keys theirs could be a fine reunion but without Clarke on lead it's just not a go-er.
     
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  12. Billo

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    The Hollies drummer Bobby Elliott won the NME Top Drummer poll in 1965 - ahead of Brian Bennett (Shadows), Keith Moon (The Who), Ginger Baker (Graham Bond Org) and Ringo...!

    maybe too often over 1966-69 The Hollies featured additional accompaniment over Tony Hicks guitar on the solos on tracks just as the guitar was really 'the' instrument in that era - Hicks is featured well in various styles but just as often it's a violin, steel drums, orchestra etc on the solo thus The Hollies never became seen as a guitar fronted band when such were getting increasingly popular

    sadly Eric Haydock despite being a great bass player began to fail to turn up for shows - hence Klaus stood in at the London Palladium !

    Eric failed to turn up for BBC Radio sessions, and they even did a concert at Maida Vale with no bass player !

    once a member begins to miss gigs and TV shows they are on borrowed time...

    Bernie Calvert could play keyboards too hence he got the job just over Mike Gregory of The Escorts who was a bass player/vocalist - ironic but Mike left The Escorts later to join The Swinging Blue Jeans...as did Terry Sylvester who later replaced Graham Nash in The Hollies

    Eric Haydock formed Haydock's Rockhouse who cut two singles for EMI's Columbia label but neither charted
     
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  13. qm1ceveb

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    A nice story about Jack quitting Manfred Mann, told by Mike D'Abo himself, is something like this:
    Mike picked up Jack with his car, on the way to a Manfreds session. Mike had just joined and Jack told him that this indicated that he (Jack) would have very few opportunities to sing lead and would rather quit and join Eric and Ginger in a project of theirs.
     
  14. ajsmith

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    Very interesting. I didn't know Dave Richmond briefly rejoined in 1966!
     
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