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Mary Hopkin - Those Were The Days on CD-R?

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Paul P., Apr 14, 2021.

  1. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Hi everyone,

    I think I just got ripped off. I ordered an import edition of Mary Hopkin's greatest hits collection on Apple "Those Were The Days" from Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Those-Were-Days-Mary-Hopkin/dp/B00000I251

    It's listed as an Import - but from Apple Records. The dates line up correctly - March 1995 - art looks appropriate, etc.

    However - it is definitely a reproduction. The case is cheap, the disc is a CD-R, the book is a photocopy, etc.

    Before I unleash the hounds, I thought I'd ask here: Is this something Apple/Amazon is doing with their back catalog issues? I know that Amazon burns CD-Rs on demand for some titles - but this seems like a bootleg to me...

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
  2. dormouse

    dormouse Forum Resident

    Oh dear. This happened to me a few years ago at Tesco. I was trying to buy a Wish You Were Here DVD documentary. When I took the case to the desk there was something of a delay and I asked what was happening and they said that they were burning a disc. I pointed out that I could have burned a copy myself if that is what I wanted so declined the purchase. They had special machines to do this and I believe print the covers too. I don't think that they lasted too long. I would be very worried if Amazon started burning CDRs and sending them out as original CDs.
     
  3. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Yeah - that's my worry too. I mean - this listing looked pretty legit. $26 is about what I'd expect to pay new for a Holland/European import.

    I can already tell there are some errors on this disc - the guitar intro on Goodbye is glitched - missing a fraction of a second in the middle.

    Funny thing is - the disc even lists Holland on the printed label. I'm now about 90% convinced it's a boot.

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
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  4. Chemguy

    Chemguy Forum Resident

    $30.00 Canadian for this on amazon.ca. For a CD-R!

    Unreal. What a dreadful business.
     
  5. stevef

    stevef Forum Resident

    Location:
    Irvine, CA
    Wow!
    I would think if Amazon was going to sell CD-Rs, they have to advertise it first, they just can't sell copies !!!
    You have every right to return this for full refund and complain.
     
  6. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
  7. musicfan37

    musicfan37 Senior Member

    Not right at all! Return that sucker.
     
  8. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Forum Resident

    Location:
    Lawrenceville, NJ
    Sure they can if they are licensed to do so by the rights holders - and I expect they were unless you were dealing with a sketchy third party seller using Amazon to market products and conduct transactions.

    If you have a gripe about it, most likely your gripe is with the record company that licensed this manufacturing procedure.

    But it may be the only commercially viable way to keep products with limited market appeal in print at all as physical CDs. There may not be enough people buying Mary Hopkin CDs to warrant pressing CDs.

    While.you could have made a copy yourself - that would have been illegal.
     
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  9. dormouse

    dormouse Forum Resident

    There is a fundamental difference between a CD and a CDR. As far as I am aware Amazon usually state they the item is an Audio CD. If you receive a CDR it would not be as advertised. If it makes it transparently clear in the description that the item is a CDR then fine but they are not interchangeable terms.
     
  10. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
    According to the listing:

    Ships from Amazon.com
    Sold by Amazon.com

    Which is why I felt pretty confident ordering it. I'm still sending it back - the glitch on Goodbye is a deal breaker.

    In the meantime, I ordered a used copy in good condition from a local Goodwill. They're shipping it soon. I'm hoping that's a pressed CD.

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
  11. ScramMan2

    ScramMan2 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland OR
    Return it.

    Amazon does (at times) state that it is a CD-R. You have to look at the fine print of the listing (if any).
     
  12. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
  13. RSharpe

    RSharpe Forum Resident

    Looking at the photo of the cd on Amazon Canada, the one difference on the back tray card photo to my original cd purchased in 1995 is there is no EMI Music Canada label printed in the left top. The one on Amazon Canada is blank. Only difference I can make out.
     
  14. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

    Location:
    Cambridge, MA
    Definitely return it. $26 for CDR is ridiculous.

    I wonder if Apple has contracted out for CDR duplication, or if it's a fake that made it into the distribution channel?
     
  15. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

    Location:
    Cambridge, MA
  16. RSharpe

    RSharpe Forum Resident

    Yes, definitely not legit. The upper left corner of the back tray card is blank. Mine has EMI Music Canada in that spot.
     
  17. no.nine

    no.nine (not his real name)

    Location:
    NYC
    There are several threads on the forum about this no-longer-recent phenomenon. These CDRs are, unfortunately, legit. It's due to various labels making titles available on CDR because they don't deem it to be worth the cost to do regular manufactured pressings anymore. They're not boots (or to use the correct terminology: counterfeits). When originating as a "made on demand" basis, Amazon has gotten the license to do so. And in some cases, it's the labels themselves which are making them available this way. Amazon used to identify which titles are CDRs but they're not doing that any longer, for who knows what reason. If you've bought such a CDR from a third party seller, chances are that's how they got it when they acquired it themselves.

    So, yes, it sucks. And yes, it's deceptive. But unfortunately, it seems to be getting more and more common. At least, Amazon seems to be good about refunding customers who complain about it. But it still sucks.
     
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  18. Paul P.

    Paul P. Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Okay - the used CD I ordered from Goodwill arrived today. It is literally the "real" version of the reproduction I have - it's the Holland press.

    Interestingly enough - the bootleg color corrected the Apple label. The Holland Apple is slightly yellow - the bootleg is nice and green.

    Both of mine - Holland and Reproduction? - are also blank in that spot.

    In fact - that one looks a lot like the reproduction I have. Careful inspection shows the Holland logo in the upper right of the rear card.

    Cheers,
    Paul

    P.S. All griping about the weird edition aside, this is a great release. I'm not sure why Apple has let it go out of print. Mary herself had input into creating it - unlike the original 1972 vinyl album - this has all of the a-sides and b-sides. Not only does it have Que Sera Sera - which is still unavailable on Spotify, etc. - it also has the "quiet" version of The Fields Of St. Etienne. The version that's on the streaming services has an additional string arrangement by (apparently) Richard Hewson that's not present on this version. This quiet version is apparently exclusive to this release as well.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2021

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