MFSL quality control issues

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by hamburgerpimp, Feb 23, 2004.

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  1. hamburgerpimp

    hamburgerpimp New Member Thread Starter

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    Even should he offer to replace my copy of "Plastic Ono Band" (I can live with a scuffed-up case for "Imagine"), let's face it, he'd only be doing this because he was pressured into doing so, not out of the goodness of his own heart or out of genuine concern for one his customers.

    His words speak for themselves. What more can I say?
     
  2. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Pardon my minor edit, but let's keep it civil ok. ;)
     
  3. hamburgerpimp

    hamburgerpimp New Member Thread Starter

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    Sorry Dave, just "keepin' it real." :winkgrin:

    -later
     
  4. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    It's [​IMG] Sometimes it can be hard to not make it personal.
     
  5. visprashyana

    visprashyana New Member

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    I have a hard time believing that the Ebay seller opened the cd's and resealed them. He is a trustworthy individual even though I do not support that type of language or response. I'm guessing that the cd's were handled by EMI/Capitol. He was most likely taking it personally and didn't handle it as professionally as he should have. Everyone has a rough day and accidently takes it out on the wrong person. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that those cd's are placed into the lift-lock cases by hand and one could fall on the floor and the employee would probably pick it right back up and put it in the case. I don't see any reason that the Ebay seller would open it and reseal it. Moreover, I doubt that he has the means to reseal them.

    I do have to disagree with Dave's email regarding OMR. Even though you may not approve of Yoko's new master tape, it still is what it is and there is isn't any problem with his description.
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Apparently you are missing 5 points.

    1. When I emailed him the accurate description was not there.

    2. These are the "new" MFSL's and not Capitol/EMI's.

    3. These 2 rude emails were almost 2 weeks apart.

    4. Check the sellers negaitive feedbacks as this rudeness appears to happen whenever every auction doesn't go as smooth as silk.

    5. There was no accusation that the seller resealed anything.
     
  7. Metralla

    Metralla Joined Jan 13, 2002

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    Dave, did the original thread on this topic get removed? I know I posted to it, but when I later looked to follow up, I could not find it. And I'm concerned that I was misled by his subsequent edits to the eBay ad after you wrote to him and I sided with him based on what I saw in the ad - but I may not have been seeing what you saw.

    I like to think the best of people but jonifan's got two strikes.
     
  8. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Yes Geoff, out of respect for Steve's home I removed because I was fairly upset at being treated in this manner for trying to be helpful with what I thought was a caring seller and yes, after my email he did change his MFSL Lennonads to reflect my information. Then further after checking all of his negative feedbacks here I discovered that his rude methods had been employed everytime one of his auctions did not go perfectly.
     
  9. joachim.ritter

    joachim.ritter Senior Member

    16431 people left him positive feedback and 22 negative feedback, that is pretty good!

    Joachim
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Yes it is Joachim, but when I politely, and I'm not the only one, ask him to clarify or add something and get treated with such disrespect it's time for people to know that if something should go wrong, as in Todd's case, this is how they will be treated. It's not professional at all my friend and to be put on a blocked bidders list just adds insult to injury.

    Would you treat current or potential clients this way Joachim? I believe not. ;)
     
  11. hamburgerpimp

    hamburgerpimp New Member Thread Starter

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    You also have to consider the fact that not everyone leaves negative feedback when a deal goes wrong. I, for instance left no negative feedback for this guy because it surely would have meant that he would have retaliated in kind. What would this have accomplished? Nothing, except that I'd get my first negative, and would still be S.O.L.
     
  12. Dob

    Dob New Member

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    Especially when the seller is one of those "sharp operators" that won't leave you feedback unless you leave it first. The message is clear - leave negative feedback, and you will get one in return. It appears that is how the seller in question does business.

    If you have 100 percent positive feedback, and aren't satisfied with the item, the possibility of getting that negative can intimidate you into not leaving a negative. On top of that, the seller figures he has nothing to lose by being rude...perhaps he even enjoys being rude.
     
  13. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    Good points. What's 23 (instead of 22) negative feedbacks against 16,431?

    My 56 positives will suffer greatly with one bad negative - claiming I damaged goods after opening a sealed CD and tried to get my money back!

    Obviously the seller is not one who cares about music. Just selling.

    I will never buy from this seller.
     
  14. joachim.ritter

    joachim.ritter Senior Member

    From his eBay feedback, which is overall very, very good, I wouldn't expect unfriendly emails as Todd and you received from him. He has the right to do not sell to you, even if I don't understand why ...

    No, but I received much worse emails from eBay sellers ...

    Joachim
     
  15. joachim.ritter

    joachim.ritter Senior Member

    Negative feedback hurts sellers much more than buyers!

    As long as you are not selling (or planning to sell in future) on eBay it doesn't matter whether your feedback score is 100% or 98% positive.

    If you are buying and selling, just use different accounts!

    Joachim
     
  16. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Now I'm surprised. :eek: You honestly have to be one of the most polite people that I've met on-line. :confused:
     
  17. hamburgerpimp

    hamburgerpimp New Member Thread Starter

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    I sell and buy using the same account. I'd hate to have to start all over again with a new account for selling just because there are a few bad apples out there (who have mostly positive feedback.) Incidentally, I don't sell very often.
     
  18. snowman

    snowman Forum Resident

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    Of course, there is a way of leaving negative feedback in this situation, without getting any negative feedback, back.
     
  19. Kayaker

    Kayaker Senior Member

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    I spent an hour last night using Dave's link to jonifan's negative feedback. It was quite addicting. A psychiatrist would have a field day analyzing it. The worst offense was that that the seller immediately gives negative feedback to people who gave him valid neutral feedback - even though it was obvious he was paid in full for the item by the buyer. Before this post I was thinking about picking up some of the new classical MFSL's that he was packaging. No way now, no way ever. The guy is a bad apple with "issues" who obviously needs a shrink. Avoid!
     
  20. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    How? Wait for the seller to leave it first? It looks like this guy waits for the buyer to leave feedback...

    Or is there another way?
     
  21. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Wait until day 29 at hour 23:59 min. ;)
     
  22. joachim.ritter

    joachim.ritter Senior Member

    Day 89.99?

    That is not safe!

    If the seller still has the end-of-auction-mail from eBay he might be able to view the auction and leave feedback from there.

    Joachim
     
  23. Kayaker

    Kayaker Senior Member

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    I think it's 90 days. I just left my first negative feedback to a seller who never sent the item. I waited until the last hour of day 90 to leave it to prevent retailiation.
     
  24. snowman

    snowman Forum Resident

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    Yes, wait till the feedback time limit runs out (which is 90 days I think), then 'snipe' him\her at the last minute.. there is no way back for the other party. Being 90 days is rather along time though and doesn't really offer a solution against the 'bad guys' out there.
    Well, I guess this is rather extreme, but if you feel and are 100% sure you have been conned\screwed badly, then you would go to any lengths, and this is the only way I guess. It is rather crude, and should only be used if you are absolutely sure.
     
  25. snowman

    snowman Forum Resident

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    Hi Joachim,
    I'm sure even through this email link, would still go through the same system their side. I think after 90 days all auctions become 'dead' e.g. I can't click on any ebay auctions that are before 13th December. (About 90 days roughly).
    But I woudn't argue with an Ebay legend\veteran like yourself, Joachim. :D .
     
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