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Michael Jackson's "Thriller" - It was Toto Album...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by gener8tr, Feb 7, 2014.

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  1. Cheepnik

    Cheepnik Overfed long-haired leaping gnome

    Their names were in the sleeve credits. They got all due recognition. They got paid for their work.

    There's only one name above the title in the case of Thriller, and only one belongs there.
     
  2. NaturalD

    NaturalD Forum Resident

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    OK, just pulled Thriller out of the bin -- looks like the Toto boys are fully credited. So what's he moaning about? Just upset that the name on the cover is better known than the musicians in the credits? You'd think a music pro would get how that works.
    Edit: Dang, Cheepnik made the same point while I was "researching" and typing : )
     
  3. djej

    djej Forum Resident

    David Paich from Toto... his dad is Marty Paich who did a ton of arrangements for west coast jazz artists and pop artists as well in the 50s, 60, 70s...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Paich

    Marty arranged one of my all-time favorite albums, "Mr. Easy" by Jesse Belvin.
     
  4. thxphotog

    thxphotog Camera Nerd

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    In that role, you're a session guy. How many great records did Leon Russell play on? Did Billy Preston ever bitch about not getting recognition on Beatle records?

    As mentioned earlier, the radio hits like Africa did more harm than good, as did their name IMHO. Cats that are named 'Puff-Puff' get very little respect.
     
  5. ginchopolis

    ginchopolis Forum Resident

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    Uh...

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  6. thxphotog

    thxphotog Camera Nerd

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    I sit corrected. :)
     
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  7. zen archer

    zen archer Forum Resident

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    You could say the same for the Brothers Johnson and their contribution to the album Off The Wall, Louis Johnson is all over that album and he cowrote Get On The Floor.

    Also Quincy Jones produced the Brothers Johnson and in my opinion Off The Wall sounds exactly like the first 2 BJ albums. Most of the general public are probably unaware of The Brothers Johnson albums,
    in fact they even did a cover version of Come Together before MJ did.
     
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  8. Rfreeman

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    Remember getting exposed to both One Nation Under A Groove and Blam! visiting a friend one day around 1978 or 79. In my early teens, the cover of ONUAG made quite an impression.
     
  9. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

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    And in the same way that Metal Machine Music is not considered a Texas Instruments album.
     
  10. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

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    Kinda, sorta. Yeah, David Paich and a couple of Porcaro brothers are no Silk Degrees. David Hungate's bass is featured more prominently on there than on Toto IV, so go figure. Now, there's somebody who'd have a legitimate complaint about getting sold short. Lukather wasn't backing Boz Scaggs at that time.
     
  11. toptentwist

    toptentwist Forum Resident

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    I'm pretty sure the musicians on that album were listed on the paper sleeve that came with it.

    I knew the guys from Toto were on that list - but to my ears - the album always sounded more
    like Heatwave (because of the involvement by Rod Temperton) than anything else...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Temperton


    Wikipedia has the musicians from Thriller listed (in alphabetical order). I think that's
    how it was on the album.

    Personnel
     
  12. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    The lyric sheet had individual musician credits for each song.

    I remember an online discussion in the 90's where someone thought Eddie Van Halen played all of the guitars on "Beat It." I mentioned that Lukather played them except for the solo.
     
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  13. varispeed

    varispeed what if?

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    As I remember, the interview conversation/moaning isn't really about Thriller. Thriller comments were to reinforce Steve's gripe that Jan Wenner carries a grudge towards the band and that's why they'll never get into the Hall of Fame. Despite the band being so involved with famous stuff..... like Thriller. But then a few minutes later in the interview, I think Steve then says that he doesn't really care if the band is in the Hall of Fame.... but he feels baffled at why they aren't.

    Or something to that effect.

    As far as I remember, the entire planet understood in 1982-84 that Toto was playing on bazillions of famous tracks. Including Thriller. The interviews, gigs, and awards were pouring in. It certainly wasn't a mystery to anyone as I remember. I got to hang out with the band around 84 or so, met Jeff a few times separately, and the group was receiving its fair share of notoriety..... no doubt about that.

    I think this is the same interview where Steve rants about musicians he knows who are starving. I don't remember all the details of that part of the interview, but I seem to remember it also set off some nasty comments in various parts of the web.
     
  14. Fullbug

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    I don't understand why Thriller is even considered a "real" album. Odd thread.
     
  15. Tremaindous

    Tremaindous Forum Resident

    The Funk Brothers are all over Motown.
     
  16. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Forum Resident

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    I always wondered why Thriller sounded so good and put together. It's like Bob Daisley doing all the Ozzy stuff. Someone is always behind the scenes making it work.
     
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  17. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Forum Resident

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    True, it's basically a compilation of tracks released on 45s, with the bonus track Lady of My Life (my personal favorite).
     
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  18. PaulKTF

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    It's an album because that's what it was connived as. It just so happens that the singles were all successful, so they kept putting more songs out as singles (because.. well, they knew they'd get a lot of radio airplay and sell).
    That doesn't make it any less of an album.

    I'm not sure I understand your point.
     
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  19. Fullbug

    Fullbug Forum Resident

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    I listen to it too. I'll check out Lady of My Life.
     
  20. soundboy

    soundboy Senior Member

    Did you know that Toto was inducted into the Musicians Hall of Fame?


    In the same year when Toto cleaned up at the Grammys, Lukather himself won another Grammy for "Best R&B Song" by co-writing George Benson's "Turn Your Love Around". Probably not "Thriller"-level royalty, but this was a major hit on both the Billboard pop (#5) and R&B charts (#1).
     
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  21. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Forum Resident

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    I was basically making your point but in the form of a joke.
     
  22. PaulKTF

    PaulKTF Senior Member

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    This guy from Toto sounds like he's been eating a lot of sour grapes to me.

    Isn't it enough that he got to be on the best selling album of all time and perform music that so many people love?
     
  23. PaulKTF

    PaulKTF Senior Member

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    Oh!! Okay, sorry. :)

    Phew, I'm really glad you weren't being serious because I was really confused...
     
  24. Me not a fan of jackson or thriller
     
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  25. ianfaith1

    ianfaith1 Forum Resident

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    It's easy to forget that Toto had many more than just a couple of Billboard Top 40 hits. To wit:

    Hold The Line -- #5
    99 -- #26
    Rosanna -- #2
    Africa -- #1
    I Won't Hold You Back -- #10
    Make Believe -- #30
    Stranger in Town -- #30
    I'll Be Over You -- #11
    Without Your Love -- #38
    Pamela -- #22

    All told, they had 15 Hot 100 singles from 1978-88. Not a bad 10-year run. There's a reason that in addition to their success as a group, these guys remained A-list studio musicians individually for so long. They could play, write and arrange pop music with the best of them.
     
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