Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has been cutting vinyl from digital since a long, long time ago...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ben Adams, Jul 14, 2022.

  1. April Snow

    April Snow Forum Resident

    That is hilarious, they would not spend the time arguing I agree :righton:
    I am certainly not in my 60s either & I am a female :wave:

    As for "old music" getting rehashed over and over again well I am glad it is, as I am now filling in gaps I have never had or heard before, recent aquistions are Doors, Santana, Nina Simone, Dusty & Pink Floyd - all albums I had never heard before. I mainly get Original Pressings but have also been buying some AP releases.

    I am so glad that I could hear The Doors S/T album for the first time this week an AP pressing - because that was so much awesome-ness there and what a way to experience it!!!!

    I am grateful to Chad for that and now I am currently spinning Dusty Springfield "Memphis" AP as I type this :love:

    I realise this is a Mofi thread, but I wanted to comment on the fact that it might be good to remember that what is "old to you, might be new to someone else" .............and we all know that music is the BEST ❤️
     
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  2. shug4476

    shug4476 Nullius In Verba

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    Anybody?
     
  3. Sex Lies And Master Tapes

    Sex Lies And Master Tapes Gaulois réfractaire

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    Technologies
     
  4. TommyTunes

    TommyTunes Senior Member

    Since MOFI has been around for 45 years, I think it’s safe to assume you are not their target customer.
     
  5. Starquest

    Starquest ‎ ‎ ‎

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    I notice that the first MFSL Bitches Brew is conspicuously missing from their site, but the One-Step says 1/4" / 15 IPS analog master to DSD 64. The same thing is true of Blood on the Tracks, the original is gone.

    Because that info is missing, I have to assume both products (original and One-Step) use the exact same master, and the only difference is the pressing.

    The cynic in me wonders whether they don't want us to know this.
     
  6. shug4476

    shug4476 Nullius In Verba

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    Miaow!
     
  7. playsFastForward

    playsFastForward just as long as he can

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    The Japanese SHM SingleLayer SACDs invariably turn out to be far and away superior to almost all others including the best MoFi SACDs. It would be interesting to know why MoFi SACD's sound so different compared to the Japanese SHM's or even AP's SACDs?
     
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  8. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    Since so many master tapes have already been destroyed by fire the notion of “original master tapes” is becoming unrealistic. Best available safety copy or first generation dub is more likely to be the source. So let’s be realistic a hi resolution flat transfer DSD copy of a master tape is preferable to an AAA second or third generation dub.

    I am satisfied that digital can now capture everything on a master tape, if it is done right. I believe MFSL does it right. I am not wild about the way that they have parsed the language and obscured their sources but I believe some of the people responding are being polly anna’s. It is after all marketing and advertising. It’s a business.
     
  9. shug4476

    shug4476 Nullius In Verba

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    Can't say I've tried them. I've been happy with everything about the MoFi SACDs except the price.
     
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  10. dconsmack

    dconsmack Senior Member

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    Not smart enough? How about not being alive long enough and/or having enough disposable income at that age to invest large amounts money in what turned out to be fake all analog records. They’re not old enough or ripped off enough to be this pissed.
     
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  11. btf1980

    btf1980 Senior Member

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    I don’t think I missed the point. You’ll get no debate from me about truth, honesty, and righteousness. You’re preaching to the choir there. I’m in your congregation!
     
  12. MonkeyTennis

    MonkeyTennis Billie Eilish style

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    MD might be willing to take some pain if they can see a way out of this.

    I’ve said this before - and I could be totally wrong - MoFi’s business model no longer seems viable. Are they really going to consistently sell 5k, 7k, 10k, digitally-sourced OneSteps for $125? Is $70 really a realistic price for digitally-sourced SuperVinyl issues? I’d suggest not and, beneath that, everything vinyl now looks massively overpriced.

    And so what do they do? Lower prices while their cost base remains as is? Do they begin to slash and burn to support a reduction in pricing - but we know that that effects quality? Or do they reconfigure their business model and, say, begin to specialise in great sounding digitally recorded records from the ‘90s onward (eliminating the DSD issue completely) - but this will likely alienate whatever customer base remains and that end of the market is already jammed.

    I think they are in a pickle: my suspicion is that they’ll gainly labour on, bleeding money, before trying to pivot, rebrand, and relaunch.

    But who knows - maybe this whole thing will blow over. Maybe SHF is utterly detached from the marketplace. Maybe Thriller will pull in an entirely new customer base just aching to hear I Robot and Van Halen pressed as a OneStep. What would I know?
     
  13. Britt in VA

    Britt in VA Forum Resident

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    May want to re-read that sentence.
     
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  14. btf1980

    btf1980 Senior Member

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    I think I need a tongue-in-cheek emoji when posting going forward.
     
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  15. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product

    I have greatly enjoyed the surround sound, generally quad, sacd's coming from Japan. They seem to be very high quality and sound great.
    They too of course are ridiculously expensive, but I think that it comes down to being aimed at a very small market, rather than a sourcing issue..... and all the companies know they have us over a barrel to some extent.
     
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  16. Classicrock

    Classicrock Senior Member

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    It's Mo-Fi that is in the wrong not the customers that have been duped. DSD 256 sounds pretty close to AAA, so if you are told the records are all analogue you are likely to believe it from what was a trusted company. You would be mad if you invested $ooos on 'audiophile' LPs that turn out to be an SACD on plastic. They thoroughly deserve all this and frankly Youtubers should keep it up until they change their methods and give us a proper apology.
     
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  17. I have no idea if the demographic here but you’re probably close I would guess.

    Probably similar to the Audio show I attended this past weekend. Men mostly over 50 but there were a bunch I met in their early 40 s too

    but in record stores here in Seattle I see a bunch of young people. Especially in the neighborhood stores like Easy Street.
     
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  18. Well to be fair it’s not much different than the comments swirling around here, just not video recorded. Everyone needs to vent on one side or another.
     
  19. mikedifr0923

    mikedifr0923 Forum Resident

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    Like many products you are paying for a brand name. Sometimes it’s worth it sometimes it isn’t. With music that is obviously very subjective. I have both SACD and vinyl from MOFI but many more SACDs (about 100 or so). I love how the MOFI stuff sounds and SACdS in general so 29.99 it’s worth it to me.
     
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  20. mikedifr0923

    mikedifr0923 Forum Resident

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    For any company to survive they need to bring in new and younger customers.
     
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  21. Sex Lies And Master Tapes

    Sex Lies And Master Tapes Gaulois réfractaire

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    Amen.
    :)
     
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  22. Fruff76

    Fruff76 L100 Classic - Fan Club President

    AXPONA was mostly old white men. The Capital Audiofest in DC was much more diverse, and a lot more fun overall.
     
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  23. Cjb2233

    Cjb2233 Forum Resident

    But we can assume that if the master tape is gone they can't make a dsd transfer of it. If it isn't gone then they should use that to cut the records. I might not be following the logic. A tape copy of a master tape should sound amazing.
     
  24. MonkeyMan

    MonkeyMan A man who dreams he is a butterfly?

    Do you have a vested interest in the outcome of this poll? You seem overly concerned...

     
  25. BuyMeVinyl

    BuyMeVinyl Forum Resident

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    Excellent response.

    With that said, I wouldn't waste my time repeating the same thing over and over again to mpayan. Nobody is this slow, and he's clearly being deliberately and ostentatiously obtuse at this point. A wind-up merchant who is getting some perverse joy out of this whole sham. There's others, too.
     
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