Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has been cutting vinyl from digital since a long, long time ago...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ben Adams, Jul 14, 2022.

  1. Sex Lies And Master Tapes

    Sex Lies And Master Tapes Gaulois réfractaire

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    Thank you @Bill Hart for your kind words. :righton:
    For you guys who have come lately in the thread, you can check a first batch of 69 updated titles page 601. I will update it tomorrow sunday around 8 pm french time zone.
    Cheers.
    Got to go to work now.
     
  2. DaveyF

    DaveyF Forum Resident

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    Steve, do you think this contributed to the problems that Rudy Van Gelder had when recording piano? Every time I listen to one of his fabulous recordings, I instantly hear where he had problems when it came to the piano. Everything else, he nailed, unfortunately not that instrument.
     
  3. Melele

    Melele Groover

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    At the risk of being labeled a defender or apologist of Mr. Fremer, which seems to be a growing drumbeat on this thread (not singling out @playsFastForward or anyone else), some historical context might be useful. The audiophile media industry developed alongside the consumer hifi market, and that symbiotic relationship was and has been in the DNA from the outset. “Symbiotic” is NOT a code word for huckster, shill or bedfellow. It’s also not a gravy train for free stuff, as has been alleged. Consumer hifi writers needed to know who all the industry players were in loudspeakers, preamps, phono stages, acoustic treatment, tonearms, cartridges, vinyl products and manufacturing, etc. AND put products through the paces and review fairly their test results. Unfair claims of boosterism clouded the legitimate publication of product announcements in the same pages of the magazine, seemingly unable to distinguish between a press release and an independent product review. Note the use of the word “writers”. Well, writers are journalists and use the same style guides and adhere to the same journalistic standards and ethics as writers for other industry publications. That was the world of hifi media of the pre-internet era. Hifi consumers relied on reviews and industry news in the pages of those magazines to make purchase decisions. Retailers might give honest reviews, but they were in the business of selling gear so who should one trust when making purchase decisions? Hifi magazines served a crucial role in a high dollar market. That is the world Mike Fremer comes from. Today we have far more sources, much of it noise but also a lot of good, reliable signal. Hifi magazines are no longer the sole arbiters of audiophile products, yet there is nothing today comparable to the test labs and review practices of those publications.

    Whether you agree with that characterization or not, you probably know where this is going. Sometimes it’s hard to let go when a new paradigm emerges that gives, fairly or not, equal credence to “unvetted” sources for consumer purchase decisions. Surely other niche industries are going through the same shift, and their charismatic arbiters are likely feeling sidelined as a result. To Fremer’s credit, he has remained relevant and active in the new paradigm, despite critiques related more to style than substance. But the impulse to wade into this controversy under the mantle of experience, industry expertise and an authoritative voice is hard to resist, even when it may not be accepted by everyone.

    The paradigm shift broke open the audiophile industry and there are more players, more voices, more noise and more diverse opinions in the mix. Hifi journalism is a real thing, but for better or worse, it’s no longer the only thing.
     
  4. Victor Martell

    Victor Martell Forum Resident

    Not only that - we are falling again into "whataboutism" - whatever AZMike does in his actions does not change the truth.

    "Whataboutism" is not only intellectually lazy - it is vulgar.

    v
     
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  5. MIOM

    MIOM Music Is Our Mind

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    XRCD's are great. I have a few including a couple Hiroko Kokubu (Japanese pianist) CD's. Love how clean, and spacious these CD's sound without any of the digital harshness.

    My favorite by far is Diana Krall's "The Look of Love". Her voice is so silky smooth on the XRCD edition compared to the standard release.
     
  6. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Rudy never did figure out how to do it, did he?
     
  7. Briskit

    Briskit “I don’t know karate, but I know ka-razy!”

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    Lol, I'm an idiot.
    It was "Carl's Jr." not Arby's.
    And there are apparently heaps of 'em!
    Saw a billboard recently, was first I'd heard. And I misremembered it as Arby's.

    I probably shouldn't hi-jack this thread any further. :oops:
     
  8. Briskit

    Briskit “I don’t know karate, but I know ka-razy!”

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    :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

    Someone hasn't bought any used records in a while...;)


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  9. UncleHalsey

    UncleHalsey Forum Resident

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    OK, I’m finally caught up—I’ve been out in the nature, hiking and biking as the summer finally arrived in the PNW, and came to this late. 676 pages, oh Lordie.

    This whole mess may drive a slew of AAA vinyl re-releases with prominent AAA marketing with all our favorite titles, like RAM for example. Opportunity knocks!
     
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  10. Ron13a

    Ron13a Well-Known Member

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    Oh, you're one of those people. I'm not going to be able to convince you that the expensive stuff sounds different because they attenuate the sound in order to justify $20,000 from people with money to burn. You're not going to be able to convince me to drink your kool aid and blow money on cable when I can be spending it on something more important like a car.
     
  11. Victor Martell

    Victor Martell Forum Resident

    They are not - vinyl colours the sound no matter the source. This is independent of the inherent disadvantages of vinyl. Some people like the coloration, others cannot get past the disadvantages.

    BUT NO, LPs CUT FROM DIGITAL ARE NOT GIANT CDs.

    v

    ( I apologize - I think people might start to dislike me or maybe mock me for going at the windmills... but I hate it when people just off the internet form thoughts in their heads then assume it is a wonderfully insightful universal truth without reading, researching and/or learning - sheesh - if only, right? I wish I had that confidence. )
     
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  12. ClausH

    ClausH Senior Member

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    I think this is a very reasonable video by Fremer. His last two videos on this subject have been very good even he doesn't really say anything new.
     
  13. MielR

    MielR THIS SPACE FOR RENT

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    "LAST" wasn't a store sticker, it was a spray-on record coating that was supposed to effectively eliminate record wear. I think it was Teflon, or something. I believe it came out in the late 1970s (?) You were only supposed to use it once, so they gave you these tiny stickers to affix to your records to remind you of which ones you treated.
     
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  14. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    Do you have an RL of the S/T?
     
  15. Ron13a

    Ron13a Well-Known Member

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    You have the patience to correct the false statements. I have only so much and tire after a while. Although truthfully, I seldom tire of asserting that either Michael Fremer or Garth Brooks is the Anti-Christ
     
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  16. mr.dave

    mr.dave Forum Resident

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    There are grey tones in life. It‘s not all black and white. You can ridicule everything with grotesque examples.
    Cables that give a benefit to a stereo system can be very inexpensive. Stating that, they are - IMHO - just a (small) piece in the puzzle.
    But ignoring details mostly never end up in a great result.

    Written by a fellow „Kraut“.
     
  17. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    I enjoyed the One Step also. Never have gotten the beef with it.


    But wait, they added a Texas drawl to Stevie's vocal? These guys are amazing, they can even add accents in digital now!

    ;)
     
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  18. John Herzog

    John Herzog New Member

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    Am I the only one who has generally disliked the One-Step reissues. I bought four of them and sold them all as I had other versions I preferred. I wouldn't include any MoFi's in my top "best sounding albums" list.
     
  19. FWatty

    FWatty Collector of Zuni Fetish Dolls

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    Need to get this thread back on track and get an answer as to why MoFi won’t spin up their iMac and print us a second run (10,000) of the One-Step Abraxas on SuperVinyl. That sounds like a damn good apology that I would accept. Otherwise, they all should be chained to the side of a mountain.
     
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  20. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    Jamoca shakes are great though!
     
  21. Victor Martell

    Victor Martell Forum Resident

    While technically possible now that they admitted they are cutting from DSD - I think they might also be be limited due to their licensing deal....

    v
     
  22. DaveyF

    DaveyF Forum Resident

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    One of those' people' --do tell, who are 'those people'?
    Nevermind, i really have no further interest in your diatribe.:shake:
     
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  23. Oscillation

    Oscillation Maybe it was the doses?

    I have some great sounding all digital recordings, however I have also a bit of a fetish for analog originals. The question is not a sonic one, but simply getting what I paid for. Don’t own any mofi stuff, but this is false advertising plain and simple.
     
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  24. Ron13a

    Ron13a Well-Known Member

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    char·la·tan
    noun
    1. a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill; a fraud.


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  25. FWatty

    FWatty Collector of Zuni Fetish Dolls

    Location:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    I would like for MoFi to invite me to Cali so I can do a YouTube interview and grill them on this. Who is up for an hour of me harassing them with questions about the prospect of a second run of Abraxas? I’d make them cave.
     

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