Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has been cutting vinyl from digital since a long, long time ago...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ben Adams, Jul 14, 2022.

  1. Case in point, the thread immediately following yours. :laugh:
    Apologies to @Roland Stone

     
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  2. Pali Gap

    Pali Gap 'Why did you throw the Jack of Hearts awayy?'

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    There's usually a direct correlation between enjoyment and drunkenness with fast food.
     
  3. Pali Gap

    Pali Gap 'Why did you throw the Jack of Hearts awayy?'

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    Wrong forum lol!
     
  4. MonkeyTennis

    MonkeyTennis Billie Eilish style

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    Some of these aren’t fair comparisons because it is a 45 against a 33. However, I prefer the MoV Miles Smiles to the MoFi, and I prefer the Columbia Kevin Grey cut of Milestones to the MoFi (which, I know, isn’t what you were asking).

    Whilst I think the MoFi In A Silent Way is better, the Columbia Legacy (2015) is no slouch. I don’t find the gulf between the two to be cavernous.

    All of which is in my opinion, on my system, etc., etc.
     
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  5. Dr. Funk

    Dr. Funk Vintage Dust

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    Almost as good as their cherry turnovers.
     
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  6. Well it’s more or less true. But you don’t have to believe it.
     
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  7. nutsfortubes

    nutsfortubes Forum Resident

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    :DI think this is a case for Woodward & Bernstein, they will get to the bottom of this cover up. :cool:
     
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  9. Jerquee

    Jerquee Take this, brother, may it serve you well.

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    ...and overreactions.

    It's an area of serious deep sensitivity for some.

     
  10. kundryishot

    kundryishot Forum Resident

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    Everything in the recording process colours the sound
     
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  11. Wounded Land

    Wounded Land Forum Resident

    Okay, it just seems strange to me that MoFi would do that. I don’t doubt that it happened, just the motivations behind it I can’t figure out. To me it feels calculated on the part of the VP (blanking in his name), but I suppose you can read it as a friendly but naive invitation.

    I suppose my real question is who knew what when?
     
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  12. David Sonnier

    David Sonnier Forum Resident

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    A while back I saw an email sent from Mofi to someone here (I think) assuring them that their LPs were cut from the master tape. The only exception were the silver series.

    I don’t own any MFSL LPs, so I can’t comment about the sound. But their marketing was certainly misleading/deceptive.

    I went to the Mofi website and they are now adding the details of how their LPs were cut. Everything I’ve read so far is Tape to DSD. But they haven’t finished editing all the LPs yet, so maybe something will show up as all analog eventually.
     
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  13. Graham

    Graham Forum Resident

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    I am a journalist. Interviewing people is much harder than it looks and, for me, always nerve-wracking. Esposito did a good job.

    Anyway, he broke the story on his YouTube channel so he is a journalist, just not by profession. That video was also very even-handed.

    Furthermore, Fremer’s complaints about not sending a ‘real’ journalist to the MOFI offices a) reek of a superiority complex and b) disregard that it was Esposito who broke the story in the first place.

    I’m unsure why the Post needed to write about the tragedies in his personal life, but good on Esposito for getting where he is.
     
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  14. Frank Daniels

    Frank Daniels Forum Resident

    From a Washington Post article in 1985 that is strangely related to this subject:

    "Until 1979, the Coca-Cola Co. used only sugar as a sweetener. In 1980, the company began blending corn syrup with sugar, using as much as 50 percent of the substitute. In 1984, it went to 100 percent use of the substitute and no sugar. At no time during this five-year period did the company advertise these changes to the consumer or indicate them on the Coke label."

    Tony Tortorici of Atlanta, director of public affairs for Coca-Cola USA, said by phone that Coca-Cola Classic is "exactly the same as the original formula for Coca-Cola." However, he confirmed the Sugar Association's history of the percentage change from sugar to HFCS, adding, "It has absolutely no effect on quality or taste."

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  15. David Sonnier

    David Sonnier Forum Resident

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    I want to add I went to Mofi website and a lot more LPs have been updated with the cutting details.. looks like quite a few older ones were cut from tape. All of the Cars LPs, saw a Roy Cooder, an Elvis Costello, and a few other older ones. Haven’t seen any One Steps that were cut from tape. There’s still a few LPs to go.

    And some of the future Van Halen LPs have yet to be decided on.. those LPs simply say process to be decided later.
     
  16. sangfreud

    sangfreud Forum Resident

    reading the comments to that wapo piece is a masochistic exercise. has any audiophile anywhere ever made the claim they can hear the difference between DSD256 and the source?
     
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  17. TommyTunes

    TommyTunes Senior Member

    In his latest video, Fremer doesn’t like the “hit” job that the Washington Post did on him. He should remember it when he reads their political commentary in the future.
     
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  18. Terry

    Terry Senior Member

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    Hmm, thought politics was off limits here
     
  19. violarules

    violarules Forum Resident

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    At least I admit I have no idea! His notions seem based little on evidence.
     
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  20. Jasonbraswell

    Jasonbraswell Vinylphile

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    Really interesting comment Mr H.
    Props to Blue Note I guess.
    Sounds wonderful IMO on many of their reissues.

    Also, Previn on the older Contemporary releases is fantastic. Just some other data points for good piano tunes on vinyl.
     
  21. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    It’s time for Mobile Fidelity to change the slogan/banner “Original Master Recording”, on the album jacket, since they don’t always cut from the master. It’s too vague and once again, deceptive.

    Going forward, they should only use “Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab”, like they did for the silver label series.
     
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  22. ILoveLucille

    ILoveLucille Forum Resident

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    I think they should use "Original DSD Copy Recording" as the banner.
     
  23. Fastnbulbous

    Fastnbulbous Doubleplus Ungood

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    I am very late here but the crux of the issue appears to be this:

    "One of the reasons [audiophiles] want to excoriate MoFi is for lying," says Howarth. "The other part that bothers them is that they've been listening to digital all along and they're highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they're wrong."
    The first part is straightforward: If MoFi has been misrepresenting its product then it deserves to be excoriated. Audiophiles have been sold a product, at an exorbitant price, in the belief that it represents the best-quality listening experience based on their values.

    The next part is far trickier. What if their values are wrong after all, as Howarth contends? After all, if the final result sounds better, what does it matter if the source is digital or analog? And if it does matter, what does that say about the audiophile's values? I suppose this is more of a philosophical issue at this point.

    Disclaimer: I don't own any MoFi releases and my present system is modest at best. I abide by the maxim "if it sounds good, it IS good."
     
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  24. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident

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    The cat is out of the bag. Everyone knows who did what. Everyone has taken their sides. Hopefully, everyone can go back into their own space and get on with their life. The big win is with the consumer who will now have MoFi's releases labeled somewhere about the source (internet, album, sticker, somewhere the info can be found). Ludwig looks like he's moved on. Esposito seems to be business as usual. Fremer has his new website and writing job with TAS to ramp up. As far as any Youtuber, the three I just mentioned are the main vinyl influencers hands down. The others, including myself, are just small fish in a big pond. I do think, however, MoFi will be affected greatly and will have to perform a major campaign to promote its process and practices. Not a bad thing. Personally, I have quite a few digitally sourced vinyl LPs. However, I'd rather pay for an SACD or Hi Rez download for such sourced material vs vinyl. I'm a huge digital and analog fan. In the vinyl realm, I'd rather spend my money on analog sourced material or originals (unless it's The Beatles or Pink Floyd,,...I'll buy anything).



    the quality of the actual recording and mastering plays more into the sound quality vs format (LP, CD, etc)

     
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  25. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    No wonder I loved Taco Bell and a Coke back in 1975 as a kid in SoCal. And later couldnt stand Coke.
     
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