Mobile Fidelity Ultradisc One Step of SANTANA, BILL EVANS TRIO, etc.*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Drew769, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. AnalogJ

    AnalogJ CMO (Chief Musical Officer)

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    A "nitpicker" is not a positive term. It's a belittling one. An "astute eye or ear" would be positive, in contrast.

    And regarding "thought police", it's about context. It's one thing to offer an opinion or an observation about the music. It's another to post an opinion about whether another poster is justified in posting their opinion about the music or pressing.

    And it should really not hard to understand the difference. If someone posts about a problem they're experiencing, don't put them down for it, even if it's not directly aimed at them by name. I get PMs from those who feel intimidated, feeling ganged up on by those who put them down for talking about pressing defects. I'm just speaking out for them.

    Anyway, let's get back to talking about the music and the pressings.
     
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  2. Clucking

    Clucking Elixer of Life

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    This, please.

    I don’t have the Abraxas or Village Vanguard, but to me the Monk is the best I’ve heard in this series.
     
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  3. Gdgray

    Gdgray Everybody's talking about bagism

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    I feel your pain. I have opposite issue, six months from 70. I get the “do you need help Sir”!
    I promptly tell them to F off and inform them I have shoes older than them.
    I am looking forward to Monk. Never listen to CD much but pulled it out to listened and
    Surprised at how much I liked it.
    Have the Two Evans and Dylan, really enjoying all three. Definitely in for Mingus.
    Peace
     
  4. Greenmonster2420

    Greenmonster2420 Forum Resident

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    This gave me a good laugh :biglaugh:
     
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  5. AnalogJ

    AnalogJ CMO (Chief Musical Officer)

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    The Abraxas is the gold standard thus far, in my opinion.

    I'm so tempted, but my budget is already being strained right now. I have Ah Um on preorder. And while Monk's Dream is an excellent album, musically it's not necessarily a must and a landmark the way Ah Um is.
     
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  6. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    Boston MA
    I've posted problems. Sometimes I nitpick. So, I guess I'm part of the gang. Someone who finds faults in details that are not important. I did not single anybody out. I suppose choice of words here could be better. Perhaps fussy? I mean there are people here that look really really closely at covers. I was just surprised there was a problem with the cover on the Monk one step. Usually, someone on here finds it.
     
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  7. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    Thank you.
     
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  8. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    hahaha:laugh:
     
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  9. Tullman

    Tullman I prefer analog

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    Yeah, I really meant the nitpicker comment as kind of a term of endearment. This is a hobby and nothing about it is really important, but I do appreciate those that go into great detail with a passion. See the cartridge wear thread.
     
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  10. AnalogJ

    AnalogJ CMO (Chief Musical Officer)

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    Got it. But most don't take that as a positive comment. Nitpicking is really not generally a term of endearment. Even "fussy" is not widely perceived as a term of endearment. As far as being "though police", again it depends on context. A skinhead espousing racist thoughts and actions is not to be tolerated. Same with someone espousing the killing of a political figure. And yelling "fire" in a crowded theater isn't either.

    You guys, you do realize that there's a gang mentality element that does gang up on posters who may say unpopular things. We particularly get threads that are dedicated to a label, whether it be the MFSL One-Steps or Music Matters Jazz or Tone Poets. We saw the Tone Poet thread catch fire when a few people pointed out a major problem with one of the reissues. Fierce reactions came heavily criticizing those who brought the problem to the forefront, often from people who didn't hear the problem at all themselves. Yet, several people posted samples and one person posted a graph showing the soundwaves that proved the problem existed. But the vitriol from those who didn't want the problem to be discussed raised the heat. And ironically, those people were complaining that the people posting about the problem were going on and on about it. In response, one poster went and tallied up the number of posts written criticizing those that posted about hearing the problem compared to those actually writing about the problem itself. Those posting to criticize those posting about the problem posted twice as many times as those posting about the problem itself.

    In the future, my suggestion is to refrain from commenting about those who post problems, and just keep the posts to your own experience. If you encounter a problem or hate the mastering or the customer service, post about it. If you have a flawless copy and/or feel exalted about a pressing, post about that. Just keep the discussion to the stuff and stay away from making judgements about whether a poster is being too picky, or not picky enough.
     
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  11. AnalogJ

    AnalogJ CMO (Chief Musical Officer)

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    Of course, I'm not saying that calling someone " nitpicker" is equally as heinous as those other examples I cited. I'm suggesting that saying that there is obviously some point where limiting "free speech" is warranted, that certain things are harmful to the common good..
     
  12. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    You can pick a nit
    You can knit your friends pick
    But you cant get your friend to stop nitpicking

    :laugh:


    My gawd, go listen to some music.

    I mean once you start answering yourself ... its all over but watching the turntable go round and round.
     
  13. spacecoyote

    spacecoyote Astral Resident

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    Quoted for the content of truth.

    Has anyone preordered Ah Um from MoFi? Or just Music Direct?
     
  14. David P. Hill

    David P. Hill Forum Resident

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    Is the Charlie Mingus, "Ah Um" a MFSL 180gram, 33rpm only not a 45rpm? It's not a One-Step either?
     
  15. Greenmonster2420

    Greenmonster2420 Forum Resident

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    it is a 45rpm one step
     
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  16. David P. Hill

    David P. Hill Forum Resident

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    Ok thanks. Will it probably be released next year sometime, but it can be order now?
     
  17. Greenmonster2420

    Greenmonster2420 Forum Resident

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    Yeah, you can preorder by calling Music Direct. They haven’t listed it online yet as far as I am aware.
     
  18. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    You really don’t need to justify yourself to anyone, including the OP.
     
  19. nycNick

    nycNick Active Member

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    Well, looks like my luck finally ran out. Got the Monk One Step late last week, Found some odd scratches on the 2nd LP, along with 2 in the deadwax on LP1 (which isn't exactly flat). My 4th One Step, first with an issue (except the labels which appear to be off-center on every single one). Odd white residue as well that remained even after the US cleaning. RTI confuses me....I have never had a single issue w/MM stuff (regular and SRX) and even regular MoFi releases are very consistent. The OneStep stuff seems to be encountering a lot of issues from what I have read/seen (my Bill Evans PIJ is not exactly flat either, but that was purchased via a 3rd party and sounds fine). Would think that these type releases get the extra special treatment since I know they can do it!! Emailed MD, first time I have had to replace a disc come to think of it.
     
  20. John D.

    John D. Forum Resident

    Most companies have a Quality Assurance Department, posts like yours brings QC issues clearly into focus. It appears that charging large sums of money for a premium vinyl title does not assure anything.
     
  21. nycNick

    nycNick Active Member

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    Unsure if it is QC overall - I have 30+ MM titles pressed at the same plant (and 12 on the same "super" vinyl since I am convinced MoFi and SRX vinyl is the same) with not a single issue (flat, centered labels, etc) And regular MoFi titles from RTI have always been without issue for me. I have most of the Tone Poet releases and they are without issue (RTI). But based on the comments about the OneStep pressings, it seems that these are actually worse with these in particular and it has been somewhat consistent from the 2-3rd release (granted, it may be a bigger audience).
    So I know they CAN produce good, consistent quality. Just curious as to why they aren't. I am not concerned as MD has a good history of disc replacements and maybe they rely on that. But between MM and Tone Poet (40-50 LP's) and not a single disc even with a minor warp, I fail to understand the "lotto" folks seem to get with these. Maybe it isn't possible and I've gotten lucky. And I get that 10% of a 6k set run (with 12k pressed) is 1200 defects. Unsure what the "acceptable" level is for record pressing. I know it must be high since it is an analogue process. But I've certainly beaten those odds by a wide margin with other RTI pressings from other labels.

    ## off topic, the Tone Poet releases are really good, like getting MM stuff for 1/2 off...good job w/that set so far.
     
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  22. dkurtis

    dkurtis sonofthefather

    It assures greater disappointment due to higher expectations.
     
  23. Gordon Johnson

    Gordon Johnson Forum Resident

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    But is expectation higher?

    I expect a flat record, I expect a centered record regardless to the price point.

    I do expect a quiet record both in terms of the physical pressing and vinyl formulae. The latter us an extra expectaion and not just a price pount one.

    Disc or packaging replacement is far from any reason for lax QC. Ask the non-US customer.
     
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  24. ssmith3046

    ssmith3046 Forum Resident

    Abraxas is the only one I bought but I ended up selling it. For the price they ask records and packaging should be perfect. I did own the UHQR Sgt Pepper and it was flawless.
     
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  25. AnalogJ

    AnalogJ CMO (Chief Musical Officer)

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    I don't see your system posted in your profile. Do you mind telling us what you're listening on?
     

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