More on Restoring Old Films for DVD

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  1. RDK

    RDK Active Member Thread Starter

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    Given some of the recent discussions, this article from today's L.A. Times is quite timely. Gee, I wonder which side forum members will take? ;)

    http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/video/cl-et-desowitz4jul04.story

    By Bill Desowitz, Special to The Times

    When Errol Flynn makes his rousing entrance in Sherwood Forest to exchange slings and arrows with Basil Rathbone in Warner Home Video's DVD of "The Adventures of Robin Hood," it's hard to believe you're looking at the 1938 swashbuckler. The Technicolor image is vibrant, sharp and clean.

    Like some other Hollywood classics now out in pristine form on DVD, "Robin Hood" reveals just how far digital image processing has come in making movie classics look as good as new.

    But these technological advances have brought on a firestorm of controversy. On one side are those who want to use all the tools the digital revolution provides to make classic movies look sharp and clean. They're opposed by a contingent of preservationists, cinematographers and scholars who believe that digital cleanup has gone too far, replacing the original film look with an overly processed one more in keeping with the video aesthetic.

    It's a hard-fought high-stakes debate, one that's accentuated now that DVDs have surpassed video as the top home entertainment format, penetrating 50% of American homes, with 50 million players sold in only six years.

    No wonder studios are mining their film libraries aggressively — Warner Bros. alone will release more than 100 titles within the next year — relying on a growing number of vendors to supplement the work of their own technicians.

    Anyone who's endured the scratches, audible pops and faded or bleached colors of ragged old celluloid prints — and videos and DVDs made from them — may be excused for asking how it's possible for a movie to look too clean. By removing all or most of the fine grain, critics answer, referring to the particles of silver crystals that are the basic units of a cinematic image.

    This grain is often eliminated in converting film stock to digital images for DVDs. Critics argue that eliminating the grain flattens and homogenizes the image, creating an artificial look devoid of dynamic range and photographic richness.

    Sound familiar? That's reminiscent of the analog-digital debate that has been going on in the audio community ever since CDs gained ascendancy over LPs in the '80s. Only it's a much more complicated issue in the visual world.

    "I don't mind cleaning dirt and scratches, but I hate it when they take away the grain," complains restorer Robert Harris ("Lawrence of Arabia" and "Vertigo"). "It gives you a very pretty video image, but if you look at it closely, it's soft because you can't add information where there is none.... But film grain is not the enemy. It is the very center of matter in the film world. And a DVD does not have to become cleaner than an operating room.

    "The question is: Do you have the right to change something that is someone else's work? And if you do, then why not take all of the Seurat works and homogenize them? Take all the dots out and turn them into pretty pictures."

    Harris prefers the light digital touch applied to many other vintage classics that still retain their original cinematic integrity on DVD: "Like Fox has done with 'Sunrise' and Warner Bros. has done with 'Once Upon a Time in America' and Paramount has done with 'Gunfight at the O.K. Corral' and Sony has done with 'In a Lonely Place.' "

    John Lowry, founder of Burbank-based Lowry Digital Images, argues that film grain is the enemy of compression — the process of condensing the visual image into a digital form so it can fit on a DVD — which is an essential part of the digital mastering process.

    First, he says, you have the buildup of grain over multiple generations of film duplicating to contend with, which softens the image and adds undesirable contrast. On top of that, compression has difficulty dealing with fine grain, often turning it into distracting digital anomalies that are not part of the original image.

    Besides, Lowry adds, viewing a movie at home is very different from seeing it projected in a theater, and certain accommodations have to be made in digital processing and mastering, even in trying to remain faithful to the original look.

    "I take on the problem children," Lowry explains, referring to films with the worst elements or extreme difficulties most in need of digital restoration. His goal is not only to clean up these films for DVD, but also to make new negatives and prints from his digital masters, which Paramount did with both Billy Wilder's "Sunset Boulevard" and William Wyler's "Roman Holiday," which were released last year.

    Aside from the Wilder and Wyler movies, Lowry has worked on more than 60 others, including "North by Northwest," "Dr. Zhivago," "Citizen Kane," "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," "Giant" and the upcoming "Indiana Jones" trilogy and "Casablanca."

    Armed with 300 Mac G4 computers that scan images continuously, Lowry Digital is at the forefront of digital processing, using tools originally adopted for the visual effects industry to remove blemishes that detract from the viewing experience. In such a crowded and competitive retail market, no one can afford to be left behind in the digital dust.

    Over at Disney, the studio "dust-busts" backgrounds while isolating animated characters to protect them. Then they perform digital painting, bringing out colors "better than original technology permitted," says Jeffrey Miller, Disney's executive vice president for worldwide post production and operations. Even on such newer titles as "The Lion King," which makes its DVD debut on Oct. 7, these tools can better reproduce what the animators envisioned.

    Meanwhile, Warner Bros., which is releasing "The Adventures of Robin Hood" on Sept. 30, makes use of "Ultra-Resolution" software that scans original three-strip Technicolor records directly into the computer and electronically combines them. This is followed by precise re-registration, color fixing and thorough cleaning, making evergreens such as "Singin' in the Rain" and "Robin Hood" look as if they were shot last week.

    "We're at the point where we can capture the full resolution of the original," boasts Ned Price, Warner Bros.' vice president of mastering and technical operations. "We're pushing to the point where you can see something potentially better than a photochemical film print."

    Schawn Belston, Fox's director of preservation, says his job is to restore, not improve. He not only had a hand in restoring (in collaboration with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and the British Film Institute) "Sunrise," the landmark 1927 silent by F.W. Murnau, he also helped supervise the DVD transfer. "As far as grain and inherent camera damage, those sorts of things we leave in intentionally because they were part of the original artistic achievement of the picture."

    A case in point: The title cards in "Sunrise" contain artifacts that look like flecks of dust that could easily have been removed digitally; closer inspection reveals them to be subtle bits of cloudy movement.

    As a rule, Sony, Universal and MGM also believe in light digital manipulation, as does Criterion, a prestigious indie specializing in such foreign DVDs as François Truffaut's "Antoine Doinel Collection." These studios would rather not get rid of all of the physical defects at the expense of some of the original character of the films.

    But other studios favor using digital technology more aggressively. Paramount's Phil Murphy, senior vice president of TV Group Operations, says, "Given the options available and condition of the film elements [on 'Sunset Boulevard' and 'Roman Holiday'], we thought digital restoration was worth exploring on these two titles." Murphy points to positive reviews and brisk DVD sales as validation that he made the right choice.

    Certainly there is no love lost between Lowry and the preservationists.

    "We are trying to remove a couple of generations of degradation that happens because of the [aging process]," Lowry notes. "And if the preservationists don't like it, they have a problem. They are preserving something, but they are not improving the result. Every time they make yet another generation copy, they soften the image and add more grain. It destroys the film over time."

    Critic and historian Leonard Maltin, who believes all of this is done with the best of intentions, nonetheless singles out "Citizen Kane" as a case in which the film grain assisted the visual effect. " 'Kane' is so full of set shots, most of them generated on an optical printer, that they counted on a certain amount of graininess to help camouflage the illusion. You remove all of the grain, as they can do miraculously well, and you also expose some of the illusion."

    Cinematographer John Bailey, who provides audio commentary on the "Sunrise" DVD, says, "It's a very thorny issue. The problem is, it's an intersection of aesthetics and technology. It seems to me that the impetus on the part of people that are controlling it is technology rather than aesthetics. And the ambivalence that everyone seems to have is key here."

    Oscar-winning editor Walter Murch ("The English Patient") says you can go too far with grain manipulation, but he still believes, "If we were able to bring the original filmmakers back and gave them the option, I'm sure they would choose the cleaner, less jittery, less dirty, less grainy option."

    On "Giant," George Stevens' 1956 Texas saga, which Lowry admits was his toughest job, the next best thing was bringing in the director's son, George Stevens Jr. "We spent over a year on it," Stevens says.

    "The first pass came out and it looked like a different movie. Most of the shadows had been bleached out, and we had to go back and recapture the mood that was in the lighting.

    "If I hadn't been around, nobody would've known what 'Giant' was supposed to look like.

    "That's the dangerous thing of using technology without a clear point of reference. Who was to know that the director intended to have those deep shadows?

    "Technicians aren't always well versed in the subtleties of lighting and sound, which are so important in my father's films."
     
  2. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Film grain, etc. is not the enemy at all.
     
  3. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff

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    I think that article was a bit unfair to Paramount. "Sunset Boulevard" and "Roman Holiday" were special cases where the available elements were not capable of making decent prints or even elements for video transfers. Digital was far and away the best option for these cases. Paramount has a number of excellent transfers where heavy digital processing was not called for and was wisely not used. In fact, the majority of their catalog releases would fall into this category. :thumbsup:

    Regards,
     
  4. John Moschella

    John Moschella Senior Member

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    Nice post Ken.

    This seems to be a case of having your cake and eating it too, or can you truely bring a film back to the way it was. It just may not be possible to compensate for the degradation of the film itself without removing some elements of the "flim" look.

    So much of the perception of a DVD experience depends on the display being used. Direct view, plasma, and RPTVs are just too bright to ever look like film. They are designed to be used with room lighting. The only way to get a film like home theater is via front projection and even within that display technology it can vary drastically. Some of these bright digital projectors can do a great job with HDTV, but they look like video, not film. So I always find interesting the comments about the film-like nature of a particular DVD when 99% of the folks will be viewing it on a display than can never be film-like.
     
  5. Joseph Kaufman

    Joseph Kaufman New Member

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    Direct view sets require adjustment by instrument to get them to look at their best. In my case the Sony XBR I bought was wildly misadjusted out of the box. A laserdisc "tune-up" disc helped, but it was only when a specially-trained technician came out and measured the actual color temperature and other parameters of the image and adjusted them that the set snapped into having a really good picture.

    This involves adjusting the brightness way lower than is usually the case on consumer sets. One gains a surprisingly film-like image, in which there's a far more subtle picture and better color rendition than one expects a TV to produce. This has to be done by instrument; there's no way to do it by eye. Costs a bit but is well worth it.
     
  6. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff

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    I've tweaked my direct view Sony WEGA as much as possible without the benefit of an optical comparator. This included turning off the "red push", improving the black level retention, and reducing the overscan/adjusting the geometry, all through the service menus. That alone has resulted in a remarkable improvement vs. the out-of-the-box performance. One of these days, I'll get around to actually having someone come out and set the color temp to a dead-on 6,500K, but in the meantime, I'm pretty happy with the tweaks I could do myself.

    Regards,
     
  7. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member

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    I use the same method with my Toshiba 57HDX82 using the Avia disc. I've used this set-up DVD for years on my stuff and friends TV's and have always had great results. It's always so shocking how terrible a television picture looks at factory defaults (torch modes/stand out in showroom, etc.).

    Also, I agree with what Paramount did with 'Sunset Blvd' and 'Roman Holiday' for the DVD releases. At least it did a world of wonder for home video. Sadly, an actual true film restoration would be another story. Sometimes people are mislead in think a film has been fully restored from the labeling on the box rather than just a home video restoration...

    Todd
     
  8. John Moschella

    John Moschella Senior Member

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    Hi Joe, I have no doubt that a real grey scale calibration with contrast/brightness adjustments will render your excellent direct view way better than out of the box. You've maxed out your main display which is exactly what I would do as well. Still, the difference between even a calibrated direct view and a CRT front projector (or good DLP or DILA) with regards to its film-like characteristics is pretty dramatic. That is not to say a direct view is not preferable to FP for certain types of program material. My point was that so much of the emphasis in the article was placed on preserving the film-like qualities of the DVD transfer while ignoring the fact that for 99% of the viewers it will look like video no matter what. Even you are in the 1% minority with a calibrated set.

    I think its an important point. A studio can do an ultra digital clean job on an old movie and sell lots of copies because the flim-like argument is just not going to matter with the vast majority of the consumers. This is not a good thing. I prefer restorations like the Criterion Beauty and the Beast just released last Feb.

    There other problem is that many times folks don't have a good frame of reference because they've never seen a particular movie on film. Take Citizen Kane for instance. How many of us have seen a good print of this on film? In my life I have taken two film classes and saw many older films at my college cinema. Still, I've only seen a small fraction of these great older movies on film. Take Citizen Kane for example. I thought the DVD was great and I saw it on film about 20 years ago. When I read comments on how some film-like qualities were gone from the DVD I couldn't really remember. So this is a huge problem.
     
  9. Joseph Kaufman

    Joseph Kaufman New Member

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    For me it's a psychological issue. It *is* video, after all, not film. I've seen plenty of demos of high end projection systems at trade shows, yet prefer a direct view set simply because (1) well set up it can look decent and (2) it doesn't pretend to be film.

    The "pretend film" set-ups don't begin to approach real film in so many ways, somehow I like to keep the two mediums separate.

    Every mastering studio I've been in still uses direct view sets for their work, pro units of course, which are much better than any consumer unit.

    KANE (which John mentions above) may be a bit of an unusual case in that for years we saw prints taken from a dupe negative, the original having been lost in a lab fire. The DVD came from a source closer to the camera negative than any of the prints that were in circulation for decades, and so may be better in certain ways. Notoriously, it was subject to over "clean up," with the famous loss of the rain drops on the window pane -- presumably mistaken for grain or grunge during the transfer.

    One advantage of living in, say, New York or L.A. or Paris is access to the great movies in original prints rather than on video. Once you've seen BLACK NARCISSUS in 35mm IB Technicolor nitrate, no video version will ever suffice.
     
  10. guy incognito

    guy incognito Senior Member

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    Any more than tape hiss is!
     
  11. Ere

    Ere Senior Member

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    Granted, but I read his remarks to say that excess film grain and contrast were introduced during duplication of screening prints and such - less an issue since they scanned directly from the original film elements. Given the low ASA of film stock back in the 1930s wouldn't film grain be neglible anyway?

    In any case, the picture quality on 'Singin' in the Rain' - done by the same process - did not seem over the top to me, so I'll be looking foward to this new version of ARH.

    Has anyone figured out if they interviewed Olivia for this one?

    Ken
     
  12. Dan C

    Dan C Forum Fotographer

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    Not really. Early emulsion "suffered" from rather course grain patterns and low sensitivity. There was also quite a bit of variation in film speed, not just from batch to batch, but also in the same roll of stock. That's where a lot that "flicker" comes from, especially on silent era films. (I also am against any of these "defects" being digitally altered or removed)
    Kodak technicians worked their butts off to bring up quality control to amazing levels. By the mid 30s that flicker was about gone.

    I watched the DVD of "The Maltese Falcon" last night and enjoyed what seems to be a faithful transfer from a good print. The grain structure was beautiful as was the wide tonality. I haven't seen that movie in ages and boy was that a treat! :thumbsup:

    Dan C
     
  13. The Cellar

    The Cellar New Member

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    Truly. In several years of comparison shopping and checking out other people's TVs, I've only seen a couple of models (both by Philips) where the factory defaults were actually close to 6500K and had a sensible contrast setting. Interestingly, when Philips upgraded those two models recently, the presets on the new models were just like in all other TVs -- I guess the older models just didn't look "good enough" in a showroom.

    On one of the DIY calibration sites, there's a funny/sad story told by a professional calibrator who spent hours fine-tuning a client's set, only to have the client go right back into the controls afterwards and turn the contrast and black level way up again. "My video games just look better this way," the client said by way of explanation. Oh well, at least the calibrator got paid.
     
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