Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by 64FALCON, Oct 4, 2022.
The list would be in 10s of thousands once you start counting silent films.
I suppose Metropolis can be simplified since we know it has three negatives; US Paramount, UFA* domestic, UFA export.
*pronunciation guide: it rhymes with "loofah".
I'm responding late, but, to answer your question, yes, you can buy the television cut of Superman from Warner Archives (in such good quality that it looks even better than Warner's blu-ray of the theatrical cut, which is also very good). The "new" scenes cut from the theatrical release are fun to see if you are a fan of the film, but it's easy to understand why they were cut (pacing issues and redundancy, for most of them).
The television cut of Superman II (not available for purchase) is interesting. Among other things, you see that the three Kryptonian villains were not killed, and end up arrested by the "Arctic Police" (whoever that is).
I don't think anyone's mentioned it, so I'll throw in the television edit of Halloween II (the original). Not only does it include scenes cut from the theatrical film, but it is also substantially re-edited, with scenes and shots moved to different places all throughout the movie. You're basically getting a very significant variation on the theatrical film, plot-wise. It's easy to obtain the television edit on various home video releases (including Scream Factory's recent 4K/blu-ray set). Be warned, though, the television edit is pretty awful, and often unintentionally hilarious.
A lot of silent movies would shot an international and domestic version at the same time. There is a great extra on The Hands of Orlac (1924) dvd about this.
There are several Laurel and Hardy and Our Gang shorts that were shot in different languages, with the actors reciting the lines phonetically. This happened during a brief time after sound came in, but before dubbing (or subtitles) became the preferred practice to sell films to non-English speaking territories.
There was also a "TV version" created of SUPERMAN III. I saw part of it years ago. Not sure of any way to see the "Tv version" of SUPERMAN III?
On Youtube one can find a few "TV only" scenes of the 1974 action movie DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY uploaded from a long-ago television airing.
GREYSTOKE: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes (1984-UK) has at least 2 versions. The old U.S. Warner VHS release from the '80s was shorter than the version released by Warner in the '90s. Think it was some 6 minutes or so added back in to the film.
SUPERGIRL (1984) starring Helen Slater, Faye Dunaway and Peter O'Toole has at least 3 versions. Maybe more. I know of a 114-minute version, a 124-minute version and a 138-minute cut.
The 1994 movie "THE PROFESSIONAL" has 2 versions that I've run across. I recall a DVD-issue of the "The Professional" stating it was the 'International Cut' of the movie, which was considerably longer than the U.S. version released.
Not that I'm aware. From what I remember, there was only one additional scene (featuring Frank Oz as a doctor), but the opening scene was re-edited to resemble the opening credits of the first two films (credits over a space background with the Superman theme, in place of the credits running over the slapstick comedy sequence in the theatrical cut).
The TV version of Repo Man has scenes not in the theatrical cut
the TV version of Big Lebowski has really funny dialog in place of all the swearing. The actors came in and got creative with the overdubs. “Do you see Larry? This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!!”
In my decade of selling rare VHS I remember Vestron had a different color sleeve for unrated and R-rated versions of the same movie. Some I remember were Slaughter High, Splatter University and The Mutilators.
Caligula had 2 versions, a 105 minute R version and then the 156 minute version which included porn scenes forced in by the producer Penthouse. In 2007 there was a new short version of re-sequenced scenes. Apparently since 2018 Penthouse magazine has been working on a new cut to get closer to the director's vision.
Recently the director of 2 70's grindhouse films Axe and Kidnapped Co-ed combined both movies (with the same lead actor) into one film called Blood Brothers.
Kiss Me Deadly was missing its apocalyptic ending in some cases.
Early directorial efforts like Duel and Dark Star were later fleshed out to get them up to theatrical length.
I wish I could mention the 1933 King Kong (my #1 film) but the Spider Pit sequence is likely gone by way of the Passenger Pigeon.
Likewise I wish someone would unearth the original version of the 1943 Val Lewton/Mark Robson The Seventh Victim. It was a film intended as an A picture that got cut down to a 71 minute B length. Lewton's son:
[My father's] scripts were very specific about set design, camera direction, and also what you usually left to one editor—dissolves, cuts, and so on. Much of the confusion in The Seventh Victim would have been eliminated if scenes weren't cut. There was a final scene, after the woman hanged herself, that was just a horrible rehash, and it was wisely cut. It's a great ending, with the final scene taken out, but that last shot (when we hear the chair fall) needs to hold for another four or five seconds, just enough time to let it sink in. But it doesn't. The movie just ends, and the reason was because they couldn't go back to reshoot it
In a final scene that followed Jacqueline's suicide, Mary, Gregory, and Jason meet at the Dante restaurant. Gregory and Mary go off together, leaving Jason standing before the restaurant's mural of Dante and Beatrice, making clear his failure as an artist and lover. He says to himself: "I am alive, yet every hope I had is dead. Death can be good. Death can be happy. If I could speak like Cyrano ... then perhaps, you might understand."
William Friedkin's SORCERER had an unusual situation. I first saw the film on HBO in the late 70s/early 80s after its theatrical run and taped it to VHS. That's all that was available for a number of years as the film was sort of forgotten.
When I found a LaserDisc of the movie in the early 90s, I noticed something different. Early in the movie, we see the events that lead the four protagonists to drop out of society and hide out in Central American jungle. As the scene shifts from one to the next, the location appeared on-screen in the LaserDisc an,mbv 0 7ruy2qaedd all subsequent presentations. But that old HBO showing had no such subtitles indicating the location. As a result, when I watched that early version, for years, I didn't *get* the change of location, particularly for the first two.
@finslaw: I used to collect VHS goodies. (In fact, I still do to some extent!). Those VESTRON VIDEO releases you speak of were fun to collect because of the different versions like RE-ANIMATOR/Unrated was in a deep turquoise/blue box and the [R]-rated version was in a black box. And so on. I still have both versions of RE-ANIMATOR on Vestron.
→ There was a very dirty movie from Brazil that was released on Vestron Video in 2 versions. The movie was LOVE STRANGE LOVE (1982) and there was an un-cut 120-minute version and a cut-down 97-minute version. I've got the 2-hour version. Loaded with nudity + incest + some gal named 'Xuxa' starred who later became a children's TV hostess in Brazil.
The dubbing in to English sounds like it was done by people recruited in off the street to just speak in to a microphone. Atrocious dubbing.
ALSO: I remember THE SEVENTH VICTIM (1943) well; seen it several times. Shame some of the movie was cut away or it would have made more sense. Still a good, eerie movie though. Jean Brooks as the doomed sister.
IN regards to 'AXE' (aka: "California Axe Massacre") and 'KIDNAPPED CO-ED' I remember those movies being released by the long-gone 'Best Film & Video Corporation' in 1983 as part of their 'TWIN-PACK' series of films -- but they were not released on the *same* Twin-Pack. 'AXE' was released with a shortened version of 'SCREAM IN THE STREET' and 'KIDNAPPED CO-ED' was released with 'HITCHHIKE TO HELL'. Don't have any idea why 'AXE' and 'KIDNAPPED' weren't released together by 'BFV'.
I like the restored ending of KISS ME DEADLY. Turner Classic Movies has screened it a number of times in recent years.
I love that movie. That it was cut down makes total sense. As great as the film is, the plot isn't always coherent, and it's hard to follow at times, though the atmosphere and the themes are clear.
The original ending of Little Shop of Horrors is included on the blu-ray as an extra. This ending is the ending of the stage musical. Seymour, Audrey, and basically everyone else on Earth are killed as Audrey II and her offspring take over the world and eat all of humanity. This ending smartly spoofs 50s alien invasion movies.
If I remember correctly, this ending tested badly with audiences for two reasons. First was, viewers liked Rick Moranis and Ellen Greene too much and didn't want them to die. The other reason was that, with the stage musical, the actors take the stage at the end for an encore and the audience is reassured that it was all in good fun. That can't exactly be done with a movie, so the ending came across as brutal and fatalistic rather than campy and funny. Hey! Humanity has been wiped out - movie's over!
Frank Oz wrote and shot the new ending, with the happy couple (except for a hint of Audrey II surviving). I prefer this ending, but the elaborate special effects and the clever homage to 50s UFO movies in the original ending are really neat.
I think the 1980 mini-series/movie SHOGUN had at least the 2 versions. The original long mini-series and the (seriously) cut-down theatrical release of 125m.
Andrei Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev/Андрей Рублёв
circulates in two versions, the first 3:25 cut rejected by Moscow also known as The Passion According to Andrei/Страсти по Андрею and the 3:03 final cut.
I noted a mention of the John Ford Western MY DARLING CLEMENTINE on another thread; that movie has 2 extant versions.
So does Ford's movie THE SUN SHINES BRIGHT (1953). One version runs 92 minutes; the other 100 minutes.
Cinema Paradiso 1990 (Theatrical / Director's cut)
Home video releases of The Kids Are Alright didn't contain the theatrical version of A Quick One until it was released on Blu-ray.
I had originally taped the film off TV in the early 80's and I remember being surprised and super annoyed when I bought the factory VHS and then the laser disc to find out they were both cut.
There is a six episode series in development right now.
‘Cinema Paradiso’ TV Series in the Works, Giuseppe Tornatore Directing | IndieWire
Beauty & The Beast (1991)
At least two versions have been released on video. There's the regular version, but I have the laserdisc (LD) version which was a working version originally released at the theaters 6 months before the regular version. The LD I have is the entire movie but is partially completed, with the scenes ranging from storyboards up to fully animated, and included an outtake featuring Belle's Father as the guest in "Be Our Guest." I don't know if this version has been released on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Doctor Goldfoot and the Girl Bombs (1966)
There are two versions of this movie, one released for the U. S. market and another one for the Italian market and both have been released on DVD (the Italian version is only available on a Region 2 DVD). It was a sequel to two recent unrelated movies that were moderate hits (Doctor Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine in the U. S. and [per Wikipedia] Two Mafiosi Against Goldginger in Italy).
In the U. S. version the main focus of the movie is on Dr. Goldfoot (Vincent Price) and SIC Associate Bill Dexter (Fabian), while in the Italian version the main focus of the movie is on the comedy team of Franco and Ciccio. I've seen both versions and I estimate that about a third of the footage from one version doesn't appear in the other (some of the inconsistences in the U. S. version were the result of cuts made and are explained in the Italian version) and the endings are different.
The broad 1974 comedy starring Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland 'S*P*Y*S' looks to have been cut/down for its U.S. release; American version runs 87 minutes while the UK version runs 100m. I've seen SPYS four times times and prefer it to MASH even though the critics were not kind to 'SPYS'. Heck, it made me laugh and that's all that matters.
I remember the Leonard Maltin review (which gave it a 'BOMB') saying it was a good director's worst film. (Irvin Kershner, btw).
My comedy criteria is really simple: Even if a comedy movie is bad as long it amuses me that's all that counts. I don't find the need to analyze things too much. If I laugh then that's good.
Dark City-the theatrical cut and extended, Director’s cut.
By the way, if you're watching the theatrical cut of Dark City, mute the audio until you see the pocket watch. The narration added for the theatrical cut features major spoilers.
Michael Mann is known for toying with his movies:
Thief - afaik three versions
Manhunter - three versions that I know of; theatrical cut, then there's director's cut and a kind of hybrid cut.
The Last of the Mohicans - Three versions, theatrical cut, first director's cut from 2001 and then "definitive director's cut" from 2010 released on blu-ray.
Heat - two or three different versions, but there's afaik just quite a small differences between different versions.
Ride with the Devil - Ang Lee's American Civil War movie, there's theatrical cut which runs 138 minutes and The Criterion Collection released 148 minute dir.cut in 2010. I very highly recommend it, great movie.
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