MQA

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Tim 2, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. gryphongryph

    gryphongryph Forum Resident

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    As a Tidal user I am very disappointed with them going the MQA route, when possible í will change to Qobuz. Unbelievable that these days a company is making a codec that makes files smaller and inferior to the original, do they not know that the world is streaming 4K into every tv room !!!
     
  2. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    Although if the answer is "no, not lossless" he at least got that right :laugh:
     
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  3. -Sphinx-

    -Sphinx- OM - Ordinary Man

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    But MQA is not about problem with streaming higher bitrates, it's all about the total cotrol of the audio chain - from recording studios to consumers DACs.....
    ...and obviously about making big, big... really big [​IMG]
    on every single stage of it.
    And what does a consumer get in return.? A lossy format with the maximum of 17 bits in its best version :agree:

    The whole thing is just a huge...
    [​IMG]

    Wishing everybody a fantastic evening! :)
     
  4. dlb99

    dlb99 Forum Resident

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    Spotify does not and will not be using MQA. They don't even use MP3, they currently use Ogg Vorbis (I assume due to licensing costs). Note also, Apple and Amazon do not use MQA either.

    Again, Spotify has about 300 million users (half of which pay) vs Tidal at about 3-5 million. Tidal is nothing next Spotify.

    Labels only giving Spotify MQA-CD? Nah, that ain't happening. Spotify already has their entire catalogue MQA free. Just needs a re-encode to 16/44.1 lossless flac; probably already happening.

    It's over for MQA, they lost the streaming codec wars.
     
  5. Dr Tone

    Dr Tone Forum Resident

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    Labels can give them what ever they want from this point on. Back catalogue PCM on storage excluded.
     
  6. fish

    fish Senior Member

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    As long as Tidal is around there will be MQA.
    DSD was a still birth.
     
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  7. Sevoflurane

    Sevoflurane Forum Resident

    SACDs are still being released. I’m willing to bet there is far more DSD capable hardware both currently marketed and already in use than MQA capable. I’m not a huge fan of either format; I’d settle for hi res PCM over either, but I can’t agree that DSD was a still birth.
     
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  8. fish

    fish Senior Member

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    Try finding downloadable DSD. At least anything popular or even remotely popular. I cant find anything much. Nothing Id buy.
    Paul at PS Audio invested/built a DSD studio. A label of sorts. Nothing there. And his obvious bias didn't keep him from paying the MQA licensing. He'll incorporate it at request apparently. The hardware is there.
     
  9. Sevoflurane

    Sevoflurane Forum Resident

    I don’t need to buy downloads. I can rip the DSD layer of an SACD and have playable, tagged DSD files in an hour or so. Like I say, I would prefer a straight non MQA 96K / 24 bit file from any source; download, DVDA rip, BD rip, but there are a lot of well recorded SACDs out there.
     
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  10. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

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    Even that Ed Meitner now offer MQA in his EMM Labs DAC, he said in an interview that MQA is only «a marketing thing».
    Of course he is right.
     
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  11. Sevoflurane

    Sevoflurane Forum Resident

    My new DAC can apparently “do” MQA, but I’d need either Tidal or a suitable media player in order to do the first stage and illuminate the magical magenta LED that will transform my life. I’m in no rush. Qobuz is doing it for me without MQA.
     
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  12. -Sphinx-

    -Sphinx- OM - Ordinary Man

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    The problem is - most 'marketing things' are better than the things that proceeded them. This is not the case with More Questionable Audio.
    Selling a worse format to make more money - isn't that something.? I would say it's a supermarketing :winkgrin:
     
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  13. dlb99

    dlb99 Forum Resident

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    Will Tidal still be around long term? Spotify HiFi and Amazon HD will play in the same space.

    My prediction. 10 years from now DSD will still be chugging along whilst MQA will be gone.
     
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  14. Brother_Rael

    Brother_Rael Senior Member

    Ka-boom!

    Exactly. Of course, the latest thing is that this isn't for the consumer, but really, for the industry, because then there's less of an impact on the wider infrastructure.

    Try finding that in the original MQA blurb...!
     
  15. dlb99

    dlb99 Forum Resident

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    You will love this Press Release from MQA about Amazon Music HD:

    TIDAL vs Amazon Music HD Sound Quality

    MQA acting as though it is 2005 and not 2021 with regard to internet infrastructure.

    Again, folks are streaming Netflix 4K at 16Mbps, Apple TV at up to 30Mbps, and yet MQA acts as is bandwidth for first world western countries still sees most folks shunted down to 320kps. Laughable.

    It is all about licensing and taxing audio consumers.
     
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  16. Sevoflurane

    Sevoflurane Forum Resident

    Agreed.They don’t seem to have heard of offline listening, either. Easy on Spotify, Apple Music and Qobuz to download the whole album first and play it even if the internet goes down.
     
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  17. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

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    The truth about MQA is out.
    Watch this.
    MQA is noise and distortion added to music.
    The artist/audiophile guy that published this evidence was banned from Tidal.

     
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  18. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    We have already known its snakeoil a long while, but Ill watch anyway I guess.
     
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  19. Espen R

    Espen R Senior Member

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    Good! More people should be aware...
    Say NO to all kind of MQA products.
     
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  20. Kristofferabild

    Kristofferabild Forum Resident

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    Thanks for the video. Since Qobuz is now available here I will try that instead.
     
  21. Khorn

    Khorn Dynagrunt Obversarian

    Although I’m stuck with Tidal at present I still wouldn’t give up my DAC/streamers just because they decode MQA. It can easily be ignored.
     
  22. Kristofferabild

    Kristofferabild Forum Resident

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    In my case my Rega Dac R doesn’t support MQA, so I would much rather have real high res.
     
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  23. Khorn

    Khorn Dynagrunt Obversarian

    Who wouldn’t anyone want real high resolution? Only problem is I can’t get it.
     
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  24. Leonthepro

    Leonthepro Skeptically Optimistic

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    Where are all the die hard MQA fans about to debunk the debunk video?
     
  25. toddrhodes

    toddrhodes Forum Resident

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    If they were still saying anything positive after the 2018 video with Chris C., they'll be along shortly I'm sure.

    In all, this all just feels like "this is why we can't have nice things."
     

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