Near Mint on Discogs

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by the_redgrin, Sep 11, 2020.

  1. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    Have seriously ever received a truly Near Mint record from a Discogs seller? I've been in the game since an year and I always bought vinyl which is pretty pricy (70$ average is pretty expensive to me, being resonable), and I never found a seller who sold me a record without hairlines, while it was liste Near Mint! Now my question is, is Near Mint just a way of saying "this record had never been taken out of its paper sleeve" ? Am I just stupid or totally unlucky?
     
  2. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    Toronto
    Has nothing to do with Discogs. Each seller is an individual and some are more thorough than others.

    Setting that aside, can you hear the hairlines when playing the record? If not, it's a non-issue. If so, that's a problem for sure.

    Due diligence is needed (unfortunately) as people are in my experience nonchalant and not too thorough in regards to grading and even matrix info. Don't be afraid to ask questions and walk away from any would-be transaction which feels unsure.
     
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  3. Myke

    Myke Listening

    Exactly. The second I saw the subject line I thought " here we go again," let's blame ALL of them, they all look alike.
     
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  4. Joseph.McClure

    Joseph.McClure Forum Resident

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    A record gets hairlines when it goes in the sleeve at the factory.
     
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  5. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Yeah, right now my procedure with seller is: "can you play it once, so you know exactly how it sounds?", "what's the matrix runouts?", and at last, photos... If I'm not wrong, the majority of those hairlines are fine
     
  6. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I said "Discogs" to generalize, I'm sorry, but my general experience has been bad... Don't get me wrong: mostly they were polite and everything, but the records have never ever been as perfect as described... As a seller I would describe every little defect and put matrix runouts in the description...
     
  7. LivingForever

    LivingForever Always one more tomorrow...

    I have definitely had some records that I would truly consider Near Mint from Discogs sellers.

    These records will have no more than a couple of very light hairlines per side and very little spindle wear on the labels.

    Unfortunately the majority of “Near Mint” records I buy from Discogs are actually VG+ , in that they are riddled with hairlines on both sides.

    When I find a seller who genuinely knows what NM means, I will buy everything they have that I’m looking for. Unfortunately I have only found a handful of sellers that this seems to apply to...
     
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  8. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Now, I might deduce you are a Genesis fan, so we might have similar interests, may I know the names of those sellers? It would be interesting to know some which honor their word
     
  9. greelywinger

    greelywinger That T-Rex Guy

    Location:
    Dayton, Ohio USA
    This is also the way I go about it. When dealing with a seller for the 1st time, I will ask them questions on a few of their items I have in my want list.
    This is to establish good communication. No reply...No sale.
    All of my regular sellers I have established good relationship with.

    Darryl
     
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  10. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    Yep, it has nothing to do with unrealistic buyers with OCD and lack of experience.:D It just takes looking at the OPs threads and short history here that I'd never sell them any records, new, old, sealed or open.
     
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  11. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    Above I talk about the use of "Mint" in any grading in another thread and you fit the bill as to why it should not exist.
     
  12. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Italy
    I don't believe it exists too
     
  13. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

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    Yeah, I tend to avoid it because it pushes expectations of a buyer up, and really they will start looking for something anything that disproves it's not mint. I might say a record is mint as can be in my collection but that's just for my reference.

    I can open brand new records and if looking for a flaw I'm sure one can be found, it's just what it is. So a seller can't really say something is mint even when new, as delivered from the factory in excellent shape is better.

    Most people selling records are not listening to the records they are selling, they bought them to sell. Playing a record on my system can sound different than you playing them on yours. Yours might amplify surface noise and it can sound black as black on mine, equipment does mater in playing records.

    Handling and playing records for some is a art to get them to sound their best. Not everyone does the same thing in prep, and sometimes their prep can make a record sound noisy that never was. You can't buy and play records and have OCD it just will not work. You can't buy and play records and expect any perfection, and if it's not perfect blame a seller.

    Now if a record is sold as mint, but has banged up corners, used price stickers or marks from them. The record is wrapped, has scratches that you can feel and see in normal light well it's not mint and the seller is not grading right.

    But if your looking at vinyl under a LED light and can faintly see a supper fine line reflect in that lighting, and that tells you it's not mint or excellent, that's a unrealistic grading. I do use both a LED and incandescent turned on at a table to look at records and for my grading. LEDs will always show a faint line that is not really visible under normal conditions or even heard. These faint lines under LED lighting are really not part of any normal grading parameter. You can use a LED for yourself but it's not what grading is doing or centered around.
     
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  14. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I think that, if they hear crackles, probably I'd hear them too, playgrading is a thing sometimea, I would also pay a little extra for a playgrade copy, you never know...

    About the led, the main reason why I ask for playgrade, is to know exactly if I will hear those little fine lines you talk about, or not, I don't care if a vinyl is scratched if it sounds ok
     
  15. Christian Hill

    Christian Hill It's all in the mind

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    Boston
    When it comes to discogs this unfortunately is true
     
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  16. cwitt1980

    cwitt1980 Forum Resident

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    Carbondale, IL USA
    I've basically come to the conclusion that if a record is graded a NM, I'm hoping for a very nice VG+/EX (especially older albums).
     
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  17. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Same here
     
  18. skimminstones

    skimminstones Forum Resident

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    Bexley, UK
    in my experience its usually best to accept any grading of a record sold online will likely be at least 1 grade lower than advertised and usually 2 grades.
     
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  19. Will Harris

    Will Harris Forum Resident

    That's right, a record can. I have records that I have only played once, to make sure they play alright. Does that mean it is not a Near Mint record?

    If you don't put it on a turntable at least once, how do you know it's not warped? I never believed Near Mint meant never played. I've been dealing

    with used record shops for over forty years. They never said that never played was what Near Mint meant.


    Will add, this shopping by mail we all do now is difficult. It is all a matter of trust.
     
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  20. the_redgrin

    the_redgrin Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Exactly
     

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