Netflix: The Irishman - Robert De Niro, Martin Scorsese, Al Pacino, Joe Pesci & Harvey Keitel.

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  1. culabula

    culabula Unread author.

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  2. Wildest cat from montana

    Wildest cat from montana Humble Reader

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    One scene which made me laugh wasn ' t even supposed to be a humorous scene was where Pacino / Hoffman is berating his staff and calling them mother****ers.
    Pacino at his best !
     
  3. Wildest cat from montana

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    [QUOTE="Vidiot, post: 22664254, member: 13586"I do think the film is too long, but to me it's just a question of trimming the fat & excess from every scene.[/QUOTE]
    Hey , in Frank' s own words to Hoffa : " It is what it is " and you know what that means!
     
  4. the pope ondine

    the pope ondine Forum Resident

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    just watched it.....yeah the de-aging worked ok on the faces but......the bodies looked and moved like older men, well mainly deniro. very strange! the scene when he goes after the grocer really stood out.....but once you accept it, it didn't detract that much really. well done film but the drawn out ending wasn't really for me.... as a whole kind of like a drawn out Goodfellas/Casino hybrid without the humor and energy.....Pesci the standout and bobby cannavale (always) and keitel.
     
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  5. formu_la

    formu_la I'm not a robot

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    I watched it today in a company of a few beers and on my modest 55" plasma in my cave. I don't see any reason why it would be better to watch it in a cinema .
    1. It's the best movie I watched in a long time. Finally a movie for adults.
    2. De-aging didn't bother me much. I accepted it like it's something inevitable.
    3. His daughter's line is a BS. He provided her bread. She should not cut him off from her life. It's too modern attitude.
    4. I don't know much about Jimmy Hoffer. He appears to be a weak person in this movie ( kind of like in Donnie Brasco). It's unlikely he was weak in real life. I don't think it has anything to do with AL Pacino performance. That is how it was written.
    5. I agree: Pecsi is a champion of this movie. Stunning.

    I will watch it again.
     
  6. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    it's a movie dude...; )
     
  7. trumpet sounds

    trumpet sounds "The radio makes hideous sounds." Bob Dylan

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  8. Matt Richardson

    Matt Richardson Forum Resident

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    Sometimes, real events are stranger than fiction. Still, I think Scorsese followed the Sheeran narrative pretty closely. -Like Joey Gallo being wacked in front of his family, which was how it actually happened, even though killing an associate with his family present is supposed to be against mob code of conduct.
     
  9. Vidiot

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    I don't agree that it "sucked," but it did bother me that "Young Frank" and "Young Russ Buffalino" moved like old guys in their late 70s, even though they had younger faces.

    The NY Times had some interesting thoughts on the real facts about Frank Sheeran, Jimmy Hoffa, Buffalino, and so on...

    The True Story of ‘The Irishman’: I Heard You Paint Tangled Tales
     
  10. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    As I wrote on Facebook to @Vidiot:

    Marc, we might have talked about this already. It was you who couldn't believe that ****ty opening tracking shot, right? I found out that it was done like that on purpose, a low tech thing. The 1950s were supposed to look like Technicolor, the 1960s like Ektachrome 100, the 1970s like a bleached out sort of dead color and the last stuff like a cheap video camera. So there ya go. Nothing was left to chance. Nothing ever is with M. S. Watched this again yesterday. Gets better and better, like that close up of the ink marker going across that cheap gas station map. Everything is for a purpose in this film. I wish it was longer.
     
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  11. thegage

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    The de-aging bothered me a bit, as in some two-shots where there was a non-de-aged character the difference in skin texture was quite striking; the way De Niro moved seemed to me more about the character--Sheeran was a blocky kind of guy with a back problem and not much grace--rather than De Niro's ability to move like a young man. What really bothered me was the scene at the gas station. Unless there's something about 1950s trucks that was odd, Pesci's explanation of what was wrong with the truck was complete BS.

    JohnK
     
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  12. Ghostworld

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    De-aging looks fake at this point. All those videos - “this Deep Fake” with Jim Carrey as Jack Nicholson will blow your mind! ... Look fake. There’s always this hazy glow of the blend layers. In small doses, why not? For big parts of the film? Bleech.
     
  13. Whoopycat

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    Loved the movie. Pesci in particular I thought was outstanding, he was a delicious slow burn of menace. We view him as Frank's daughter does, just a nasty dude. Or even when Frank is looking at him when he's passed out in the car, like he's looking at a sleeping bear. I could not get enough of his character.
     
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  14. Brendan K

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    For myself, I found that after the initial shock of seeing the de-aging, it didn't impact my viewing experience whatsoever. Truly the best de-aging CGI I've ever seen up to this point.

    Haven't commented in this thread yet, so I may as give my opinion as well: Scorsese at his best, he utilizes the budget to create a much grander mobster film (in scale) than any of his previous outings. Phenomenal performances from DeNiro, Pacino and Pesci. I can't believe that Pesci performs with such restrain; a refreshing and new take on his mobster roles.

    We're living in such a special time to still have all of these individuals putting out films of an insanely high caliber.
     
  15. thgord

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    And Jack Huston from BE.
     
  16. Vidiot

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    I'm not buying it. I think they did 19-20 takes and everybody was exhausted, and that's as good as it got. I think it's sloppy work at the end and there's no story reason why the camera couldn't settle down at the end. Hell, I've digitally steadied shots in obscure movies nobody would ever see, just to conceal the worst bumps a little bit. These are fixable problems.

    This is not the first time I've seen obvious visual flaws in movies, pointed them out to the director, and they kinda shrug and say, "eh, it doesn't bother me that much. Let it go." And while I'm shocked, I have to admit it's their movie.
     
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  17. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    yes, he owned it and pretty much every character he plays...he was even great in Home Alone!
     
  18. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    absolutely nothing bothered me in this movie...the CGI worked the best it can and I was satisfied knowing the facts...better than using other actors to play the younger roles...which was quite common years ago.
     
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  19. BEAThoven

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    This whole scene could be DeNiro's most remarkable acting in the movie... That phone call with the nervousness, the stuttering, the stammering... the guilt.

    It was so natural... DeNiro didn't even appear to be acting... And it was probably the most challenging scene.
     
  20. sberger

    sberger Dream Baby Dream

    Lots of interesting little moments in the film does not make it better, IMO. They just end up being lots of interesting little moments that contributed to an overlong movie that we've all seen before, more then once, and done better.

    Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it overall. I just feel that he could've tried a little harder not to make it look and feel so much like Goodfellas or Casino, employed younger actors for the early year scenes, and tightened up everything so the story could be told in 2, maybe 2 1/2 hours max. It just feels like he took a lazy approach and relied on having legendary actors to tie everything together.

    But I'm glad he was able to make the movie, and that everyone got to work with each other again.
     
  21. TheSeldomSeenKid

    TheSeldomSeenKid Forum Resident

    And we are getting another Scorsese Movie with DiCaprio which now I assume will be out by 2021. “Killers of the Flower Moon” was confirmed as Scorsese and DiCaprio’s next project in October 2018, but momentum on the film stalled as the director continued to work in post-production on “The Irishman.” The movie, based on the bestselling book by David Grann, is set in 1920s Oklahoma and centers around the Osage Nation murders, in which members of the Native American tribe were murdered one by one after the group became rich off the oil found underneath their land. The murders attracted the attention of the newly created FBI, who set out to investigate the crimes.
     
  22. TheSeldomSeenKid

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    I had mentioned to the person, who I saw the movie with in the Theater, that it was amazing how they rounded up all of those Old Cars for the Movie. I realized in most Scenes that they were just parked on the Streets, so only a few had to be used for driving, but still provided an authentic feel to the parts of the movie taking place during those older Decades/Years. Just another detail that Scorsese got right, as I would expect from him.
     
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  23. Vidiot

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    There are all kinds of "Picture Car" consultants that furnish working or non-working cars to movies from just about any period. My beef with this process is often, the cars you see in historical films like this always look pristine and perfect: no dented bumpers, no scratches, they're all super-clean & shiny... nothing like real cars looked back in the day. And they're very clean & shiny in The Irishman, too.
     
  24. culabula

    culabula Unread author.

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    At what point does the song "I Hear You Paint House" appears in the film ? I didn’t notice it, but it appears in the credits.
     
  25. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

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    Anybody else think that De Niro’s general facial expression, particularly when listening or taking in things, was Steve Van Zandt’s throughout the Soprano’s?
     

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