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New Order - Substance 1987: Remastered?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Joint Attention, Sep 4, 2020.

  1. Joint Attention

    Joint Attention Forum Resident Thread Starter

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  2. Joint Attention

    Joint Attention Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    The Tidal version is 24/44 MQA, according to Roon, but I don't see a 24-bit version for sale anywhere.
     
  3. Joint Attention

    Joint Attention Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Well, it does seem to be a new master. DR values are different and yet surprisingly still very good on the new digital release.

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    Analyzed folder: 1987 CD Disc 1
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    DR Peak RMS Filename
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    DR12 -0.26 dB -14.82 dB 1-01 Ceremony.m4a
    DR13 -1.16 dB -16.85 dB 1-02 Everything's Gone Green.m4a
    DR12 -1.63 dB -14.97 dB 1-03 Temptation.m4a
    DR15 -0.21 dB -17.25 dB 1-04 Blue Monday.m4a
    DR11 -2.23 dB -15.54 dB 1-05 Confusion.m4a
    DR13 -2.04 dB -16.78 dB 1-06 Thieves Like Us.m4a
    DR12 -1.82 dB -16.13 dB 1-07 Perfect Kiss.m4a
    DR14 -1.92 dB -17.26 dB 1-08 Subculture.m4a
    DR14 -1.12 dB -17.47 dB 1-09 Shellshock.m4a
    DR12 -0.92 dB -15.57 dB 1-10 State Of The Nation.m4a
    DR15 -0.83 dB -18.09 dB 1-11 Bizarre Love Triangle.m4a
    DR12 -0.92 dB -15.13 dB 1-12 True Faith.m4a
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    Number of files: 12
    Official DR value: DR13

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    Analyzed folder: 2020 Digital Release Disc 1
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    DR Peak RMS Filename
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    DR12 -0.74 dB -15.55 dB 01 - Ceremony.aiff
    DR13 -0.83 dB -16.35 dB 02 - Everything's Gone Green.aiff
    DR11 -0.77 dB -13.60 dB 03 - Temptation.aiff
    DR14 -0.03 dB -15.91 dB 04 - Blue Monday.aiff
    DR11 -1.80 dB -14.54 dB 05 - Confusion.aiff
    DR12 -1.32 dB -15.47 dB 06 - Thieves like Us (12- Extended).aiff
    DR12 -1.42 dB -15.37 dB 07 - The Perfect Kiss (Substance Edit).aiff
    DR14 -1.64 dB -17.44 dB 08 - Sub-culture (Substance Edit).aiff
    DR14 -1.26 dB -16.97 dB 09 - Shellshock (John Robie Remix) [Substance Edit].aiff
    DR13 -0.05 dB -14.87 dB 10 - State of the Nation.aiff
    DR14 -0.47 dB -16.40 dB 11 - Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Dance Mix).aiff
    DR12 -2.01 dB -15.91 dB 12 - True Faith.aiff
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    Number of files: 12
    Official DR value: DR13

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  4. VeeDub

    VeeDub Forum Resident

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    Interesting; thanks for the post. I’ve been looking to buy this on CD for the first time (!) but past threads seem to indicate that despite the good DR the sound is a bit meh.
     
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  5. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    M4a and AIFF I'm not sure give accurate DR results when scanned.
    US SRC-
    DR12 -0.01 dB -14.82 dB 4:24 01-Ceremony
    DR14 -0.94 dB -16.85 dB 5:31 02-Everything's Gone Green
    DR12 -1.09 dB -14.97 dB 6:59 03-Temptation
    DR15 -0.06 dB -17.25 dB 7:29 04-Blue Monday
    DR11 -1.87 dB -15.55 dB 4:43 05-Confusion
    DR13 -2.00 dB -16.79 dB 6:37 06-Thieves Like Us
    DR12 -1.58 dB -16.13 dB 8:02 07-Perfect Kiss
    DR14 -1.44 dB -17.21 dB 4:48 08-Subculture
    DR14 -0.66 dB -17.46 dB 6:29 09-Shellshock
    DR12 -0.75 dB -15.58 dB 6:32 10-State of The Nation
    DR15 -0.37 dB -18.10 dB 6:45 11-Bizarre Love Triangle
    DR12 -0.91 dB -15.14 dB 5:52 12-True Faith
    Euro Rough Trade-
    DR12 -0.23 dB -15.53 dB 4:23 01-Ceremony
    DR13 -0.59 dB -16.32 dB 5:31 02-Everything's Gone Green
    DR11 -0.42 dB -13.57 dB 6:59 03-Temptation
    DR14 0.00 dB -15.89 dB 7:29 04-Blue Monday
    DR11 -1.16 dB -14.52 dB 4:43 05-Confusion
    DR12 -1.04 dB -15.43 dB 6:37 06-Thieves Like Us
    DR12 -1.66 dB -15.36 dB 8:02 07-Perfect Kiss
    DR14 -1.29 dB -17.35 dB 4:48 08-Subculture
    DR13 -0.82 dB -16.95 dB 6:29 09-Shellshock
    DR13 0.00 dB -14.84 dB 6:32 10-State of the Nation
    DR14 -0.26 dB -16.37 dB 6:45 11-Bizarre Love Triangle
    DR12 -1.87 dB -15.85 dB 5:53 12-True Faith

    Nice to see that download not succumbed to Frank's mastering.
    Thinking it's probably going to be the same as the oldie.
    24 Bit for the MQA garbage is my guess.
    If this was a full blown remaster I'd think we'd see the full length The Perfect Kiss as used on the LP.
     
  6. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    I'd grab the old fat boy. These mastering's represent some of the best on digital (that can easily/cheaply be found)
     
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  7. Joint Attention

    Joint Attention Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yeah, looks like the download is pretty close to the Rough Trade. Maybe that is the same mastering.
     
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  8. JeffMo

    JeffMo Give The Gift of Music!

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    I hope Substance is included in current NO super deluxe series in about 5 years.
     
  9. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    And the bonus tracks would be the full length Shellshock and it's B-Shellcock :laugh:
     
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  10. blaken123

    blaken123 Your Greater Tri-County CD Superstore

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    I think the sound is good on the old cd also, I'm not sure why it got a bad reputation. I think in the old ~1997 allmusic guide or maybe the ~1990 trouser press they said it had "harsh sound", so maybe that has something to do with it. Also: I think that the rerecorded versions of Temptation and Confusion on this set actually do sound harsh, but that might not have anything to do with the mastering??
     
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  11. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    Could be the recording's, who knows. Looking at them they are pretty dense (compression). I never found this comp offensive, but it's not going to win any audiophile awards-either format :laugh:
     
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  12. MondoFanM

    MondoFanM Member from ATX

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    How long has Substance been on Tidal? Didn’t see it until today.
     
  13. negative1

    negative1 80s retro fan

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    to me, it's not a regular album, its just a compilation with extra tracks.
    also, almost all the singles are being re-released on vinyl currently.

    later
    -1
     
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  14. RTW

    RTW Forum Resident

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    But why? At that point 85% of its content will already be covered. I love Substance too as a relic of their pop moment but it's not an artistic step in their career. Personally I think they missed the boat not doing one of those mini-replica singles packages on CD years ago.

    The 12" singles for "True Faith" and "Touched by the Hand of God" will likely get reissued along with "State of the Nation" and "Bizarre Love Triangle," provided the series gets that far.

    Didn't the 1987 version of "Temptation" pop up on another hits compilation since then? There have been so many...
     
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  15. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    None that I have Rich.
    It is included on the DVD 'Collection' and the Touched cd single.
     
  16. ghoulsurgery

    ghoulsurgery House Ghost

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    As of a few weeks ago, it wasn’t on any streaming service. That struck me as really weird. I wonder what made them add it now
     
  17. MondoFanM

    MondoFanM Member from ATX

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    See I thought the CD wasn’t even in print, not that a lot are anyway. I had thought I heard it was deleted from the catalog. I have an OG vinyl but would take a new one. 4 LP please...
     
  18. JeffMo

    JeffMo Give The Gift of Music!

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    Fair enough, but I'd like a proper vinyl reissue of this classic so I can retire my Brazilian bootleg and get Cory to stop yanking my chain... :laugh:
     
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  19. Joint Attention

    Joint Attention Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Popped up for sale on Qobuz and HDtracks on Friday, so I assume it was just added to Tidal this week as well. I also thought they had deleted it from their catalog, so I was surprised to see it.

    Speaking of the fat boy CD, I'm pretty sure that when I first bought Substance in 1987, it didn't come in a fat boy case; it was in a long box with 2 separate jewel cases. I'm now on my third CD copy because I've had disc 1 stolen twice. :realmad:
     
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  20. MondoFanM

    MondoFanM Member from ATX

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    I picked up the fat boy case for 5.99 at Half Price and the cassette from a cassette vending machine here in Austin. Not kidding.
     
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  21. Sear

    Sear Forum Resident

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    I got the old "fat boy" CD box (1990) and it sounds fine.
     
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  22. Popmartijn

    Popmartijn Forum Resident

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    So on this 'remaster', is the Mesh/Cries And Whispers error finally corrected?
     
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  23. LeBon Bush

    LeBon Bush Hound of Love

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    Just checked on Spotify, it's corrected as far as I can tell.
     
  24. talkingh

    talkingh Vibes Controller

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    London
    yes spotted this on friday on streaming sites...good to have some of these tracks on streaming services finally
     
  25. hutlock

    hutlock Forever Breathing

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    Yeah, I bought the Qwest CD set the week of release here in the US and it was two separate jewel cases and came in a long box. Then a few years later I got the Factory UK version and that one was in a fat boy.

    So I suppose that means the jury is out hahaha.
     
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