"Nightmare Alley" (new 2021 Guillermo del Toro film)

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by agentalbert, Dec 14, 2021.

  1. agentalbert

    agentalbert Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Anyone else looking forward to this one? I'm always up for more Guillermo del Toro, and this looks good.

     
  2. unclefred

    unclefred Coastie with the Moastie

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    I'm interested.
     
  3. BroJB

    BroJB Large Marge sent me.

    I'll probably check it out. The original from 1947 is one of my all time favorite films, so I'm not sure I need a new version of it, though.

    If you haven't seen the original, do it. It's brilliant.
     
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  4. spencer1

    spencer1 Great Western Forum Resident

    Love Guillermo del Toro and love the original. Absolutely looking forward to it.

    This thing is sitting in my Academy streaming queue waiting to be watched.
    We've been debating whether to venture out and see it on a big screen instead.
    Maybe smoke a fat one, settle in and watch it tonight.
     
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  5. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Agreed.
     
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  6. Original available on YouTube. .
     
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  7. Ghostworld

    Ghostworld Senior Member

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    And I never thought much of the original. I thought it was slow and the ending wasn’t enough to justify the long slog.
     
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  8. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    New version looks much the same.
    Least old version had a touch of class.
     
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  9. Ghostworld

    Ghostworld Senior Member

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    Tyron Power. Isn’t this the movie with the line “the night has a thousand eyes?” I forget. Or is that the movie “The night has a thousand eyes?” Lol. Oh yes, different movie. That was the Edward G movie.
     
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  10. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Yeah like the beginning where he’s a carny hustler. Reminds me of Todd Browning’s Freaks. Maybe the new version will be good.
     
  11. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Bobby Vee.
    Night has A Thousand Eyes. :)


    Songs borrowed from movie lines ..

    That’ll be the day
     
  12. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Bradley Cooper! he's been MIA for some time now...we're looking forward to seeing this, plus we love period movies and this time period..
     
  13. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

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    I was a little leery but noir master Eddie Muller liked it.
     
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  14. finslaw

    finslaw muzak to my ears

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    Love the original, and I appreciate Del Toro, but why do modern movies insist on epic lengths? One of my favorite things about classic noir is most of them were B pictures which means they had to contain an often complex story into 60-85 minutes. The original was an A picture which gave it a hefty 111 minutes, but it contains a lot within that time. The new movie is 150 minutes.
     
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  15. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

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    20 minutes of that is probably the closing credits. ;)
     
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  16. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Hello MCU. :)
     
  17. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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  18. ralphb

    ralphb "First they came for..."

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    Yes, brilliant indeed. Dark and unflinching, Tyrone Power felt it was his best work and I'm inclined to agree.
    Don't think I need a 2 1/2 hour remake.
     
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  19. ralphb

    ralphb "First they came for..."

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    One of the best noirs ever made, The Narrow Margin (1952), is 70 minutes and is a perfect movie. For me, 150 minutes for a noir is just way too bloated. I mean, Bradley Cooper has beautiful eyes, but jeez.....
     
  20. BroJB

    BroJB Large Marge sent me.

    Narrow Margin is a great film. "Nobody loves a fat man...."

    All those B films from the 40s were meant to be the opener for double features and were typically in the 60-80 minute range. That's why they were so lean and got right to the point.

    Detour is a perfect example. 68 minutes of greatness, with not a second wasted.
     
  21. pig bodine

    pig bodine God’s Consolation Prize

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    Are there still geeks in carnivals? I thought they went out of business when that guy from Lollapalozza who hung weights from his testicles appeard.
     
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  22. BroJB

    BroJB Large Marge sent me.

    It's such a dark and disturbing film (in a good way). The way in which it presents Joan Blondell's alcoholic husband Pete (a brilliant performance by Ian Keith) and "the Geek" and shows such a direct path for Tyrone Power to inevitably end up on the same road is chilling and brilliant.

    The film is the clear forerunner for the HBO series Carnivale (which was flawed, but still compelling). If you like the vibe that show presented, you'll love Nightmare Alley.
     
  23. BroJB

    BroJB Large Marge sent me.

    If they exist, they're presented with a layer of irony (or behind a veil of coolness), not as the pathetic creature that shows up in Nightmare Alley.

    One hopes.
     
  24. agentalbert

    agentalbert Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I got that sense too. I was a big fan of Carnivale, and so am looking forward to seeing this, probably next week sometime.
     
  25. ralphb

    ralphb "First they came for..."

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    Agreed. Carnivale had great potential, but if I recall the scripts weren't always up to snuff.
     

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