No Time to Die (2021 James Bond film). May include spoilers!*

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  1. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    to to die or not to die that is the question.
    James Bond will be back ..

    James Bond 26...

    2024. :)
     
  2. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA! Thread Starter

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    As a kid, we got sooo excited to stay till the end to see the name of the next bond movie.
     
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  3. alexpop

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    Yeah .. George Lazenby was supposed to be in Diamonds ♦️ Are Forever.
     
  4. Chris DeVoe

    Chris DeVoe RIP Vickie Mapes Williams (aka Equipoise)

    I thought this was a good overview of Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond:

    Daniel Craig Salvaged a Character Not Built for the 21st Century

    Ultimately the cohesion in Craig’s movies doesn’t come from the serialization so much as it comes from a certain sturdiness in Craig himself. As Bond, Craig drew from Fleming’s novels but also from the darker performances in earlier movies, resurfacing the tenderness in George Lazenby’s portrayal of Bond—similarly smitten and later grief-stricken—in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service (1969) and the fury in Timothy Dalton’s take on the character—similarly determined to avenge Felix Leiter—in 1987’s The Living Daylights. Craig sometimes risked taking Bond a little too seriously as an overcorrection to the Moore and Brosnan years. But he’s shockingly effective, having earned every pout, when you’re watching him single-handedly drop a Range Rover on the double agent who betrays Felix in No Time to Die.​
     
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  5. MrCJF

    MrCJF Best served with coffee and cake.

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    Connery did one a year for his first run, after that they slowed down. The point being that he didn't seem to age in the role until he came back after a break. I think Craig has outlasted Moore despite doing fewer films, and the consensus seems to be Moore was creaky in his last two movies.

    Craig looked old at the start of Spectre. I had a bit of a smirk when the opening long tracking shot ended with the masked man pulling off his mask (to reveal it's Bond) but gaining a lot of weight at the same time. They couldn't find a stunt double with matching middle aged spread? Craig already looked tired before the opening credits rolled.
     
  6. Roland Stone

    Roland Stone Offending Member

    While I enjoy the MCU movies for what they are, I understand the difference between a good MCU and a bad MCU is the difference between a two-star and and a three-star movie (out of five). FWIW, IMO the first two THOR movies are the worst of the series . . .
     
  7. alexpop

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    Eh! Right thread ? :sigh:
     
  8. David Campbell

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    I sort of agree to that article in a way, but I disagree that the character isn't built for the 21st century. If anything all Craig and Eon did is for a little while, clear away all the detris that had buried the character in the years leading up to the 06 reboot and refocused everything back onto the character as he originally appeared in the books before "the formula " sort of took over. The character itself is timeless. The core of him and his "world " is solid. There's a reason we are on film 25. There's a reason people still turned out for tripe like Diamonds are Forever, a View to a Kill, Die Another Day and Spectre.

    What needs to continue to be reevaluated and rethought is how Bond's story is told.

    In other words , adherence to a strict formula for each movie is what is outdated, not Bond himself. The Craig films have made attempts to break that format at times but at other times they've adhered to it at their detriment. Sadly whenever the movies have attempted to break the mould of what a Bond movie can be, there is a very loud and angry group of hardcore fans who demand that tradition and formula overrules telling the best stories possible. I mean, there have been people in this very thread whose main problem with this movie and the Craig movies in general seems to be that they don't follow the "established" format for Bond films. I.E. there has to be x many bond girls/women he sleeps with per movie, there has to be a Q scene where Bond gets his gadgets, there has to be a scene where the villain invites Bond to his evil lair and explains said evil plan, the movie MUST end this way. Etc. In some fans eyes , each Bond film has to fit a certain pattern and hit all the familiar beats or it isn't a "Bond film".

    Its that kind of thinking and very strict interpretation of the character that isn't built for the 21st century. Ticking familiar boxes for the sake of it is what almost made Bond irrelevant. Not Bond the character.

    Now that does NOT mean you take those elements away entirely. Yes he should have the gadgets.He should still be a man of action and a cold blooded killer when the situation calls for it. Yes he should have an active sex life. Yes he should still be Bond. It just means that how you present them and is what combination and in what measure.

    You can and should have fun and more lighthearted adventures occasionally and you also can have more deep stories that explore Bond as a character. You can have him stopping drug lords and human trafficking AND over the top evil plots by demented Genuises. You can have him teaming up with strong female characters AND also have him bedding beautiful women in exotic locations and flirting with Moneypenny at MI6. Yes you can tell stories of Bond where he gets the girl and saves the day and survives to fight another day...or you can also tell a Bond story occasionally where maybe he has to lose or even as in NTTD, make the ultimate sacrifice for the world.

    You can vary what kind of stories you tell with Bond while still keeping the character true to what Fleming created him as. Its not an either or proposition. Sadly though with a lot of fans it seems to be.
     
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  9. Roland Stone

    Roland Stone Offending Member

    Strictly follow the formula and you've got the Austin Powers trilogy . . .
     
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  10. MrCJF

    MrCJF Best served with coffee and cake.

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    The full episode is one of my favourite episodes of anything on TV ever! He loops back to the "music geek" and "Mickeypaedia" subject for the last ten or so minutes and it's devastatingly funny, especially for anyone frequenting these forums. Skip to the 31:40 mark to get the set up, but the whole program is constructed beautifully and it's worth watching as a single piece.

     
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  11. MrCJF

    MrCJF Best served with coffee and cake.

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    Just talking about "franchise fandom" as a side issue.
     
  12. Chris DeVoe

    Chris DeVoe RIP Vickie Mapes Williams (aka Equipoise)

    I'll definitely be watching the complete episode. The giant video screen and remote control does come across a little bit as "comedian gives Ted Talk" but it is quite funny.
     
  13. Chris DeVoe

    Chris DeVoe RIP Vickie Mapes Williams (aka Equipoise)

    Jason Bourne wasn't created for the 21st century either - the first novel featured a visit to a safe house that concealed very cleverly disguised... filing cabinets.

    The jobs of spies, private investigators, and policemen have never been as exciting as they are portrayed in movies. My father worked as a private investigator while he was dying of lung cancer, and I once watched him track down two runaway teenage girls using nothing but a telephone.

    As I said earlier, Vickie and I watched all of the Daniel Craig Bond films preparing for this one, and we really didn't have any problem with the two weaker entries. If anything, seeing them in close proximity to each other increases their enjoyability.
    I support the idea of exploring other elements of the Bond world for a bit - Q, the other 00 agents, and I would be totally behind Ana de Armas getting her own film. (My wife pointed out that No Time To Die is a Knives Out reunion.)
     
  14. PH416156

    PH416156 Alea Iacta Est

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    De Armas was fantastic in the movie... for too little. Imho, she and the DB5 were the best thing in the movie. John Stears had a great idea about 60 years ago and they keep using it.

    Unfortunately (for me, at least) No time to die had not only villains and exotic locations but also way too much screentime for M, Q, Moneypenny and something that really doesn't belong to a Bond movie: a child. I could've easily done without her and the stuffed bunny nonsense.

    I didn't "hate" the movie; I might be seeing it again (first projection was surely flawed; too dark, muted colors and no contrast) but it definitely has stuff that I could've done without. In a Bond movie, at least.
     
  15. Chris DeVoe

    Chris DeVoe RIP Vickie Mapes Williams (aka Equipoise)

    She reminded me of that saying about Ginger Rogers, that she did everything Fred Astaire did except backwards and in heels.

    You have to admit though, if one has a whole bunch of unplanned sex with a whole bunch of fertile young women, a child is a definite risk.
    Looked great in the Dolby Cinema auditorium.
     
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  16. PH416156

    PH416156 Alea Iacta Est

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    Male infertility! Or he did have a vasectomy! Or he always wears a condom offscreen! :p

    I posted these pics already but...I keep reading that NTTD looks fantastic. What I saw looked rubbish.

    I found this pic online of the early Norway sequence.

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    And this is is exactly what I saw; detail colours, brightness and contrast.

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    This is another one found online and I saw exactly like this on the big screen. I can't believe this is the way it was shot.

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  17. alexpop

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    Bring back Bernard Lee. Lol :)
     
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  18. PH416156

    PH416156 Alea Iacta Est

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    Yep, but just for a couple minutes! :laugh:
     
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  19. captouch

    captouch Forum Resident

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    Just saw it.

    Why didn’t the EMP in the watch fry his earpiece? Was the range that small?
     
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  20. Chris DeVoe

    Chris DeVoe RIP Vickie Mapes Williams (aka Equipoise)

    I thought of that myself. But then I noticed that he was wearing an earpiece that went to a cable to a radio behind his back. So presumably it was fairly far away.
     
  21. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    That is a huge logistical flaw.
     
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  22. alexpop

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    Predisposed?
    Well I like to be wrong. Invariably my first impressions are accurate. If you’ve watched all the Bond films as they’ve came out you will have your preferred James Bond films.
     
  23. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

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    Not really. Note in both instances the watch was used, Bond had to almost make direct contact with whatever he wanted to "fry". In both the case with the Door lock and the Mr robotic eye., Bond had to place the watch directly on the target. Remember Q said the range hadn't been tested yet and it was implied the range was very limited.

    I've also seen the watch brought up in the "Bond didn't have to die!" discussions elsewhere. "Bond could have used the watch to fry the nanobots.". Not only does the above argument apply, but whatever Bond used that watch on, the effect was partially explosive.

    Now imagine thousands of tiny robots exploding in your blood stream.

    Yeah, he theoretically may have been able to fry the bots with the EMP watch if he was lucky to just so happen to make direct contact with them. He also could have given himself a brain hemorrhage, a stroke, a heart attack or many other potentially instantly fatal issues as a consequence of them all going pop. Probably all simultaneously.
     
  24. David Campbell

    David Campbell Forum Resident

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    Technically the first Bond in my lifetime was Moore in FYEO, and I was vaguely aware of Dalton as a kid but, but it wasn't until Pierce Brosnan's GOLDENEYE I saw a Bond movie in the theater. So Pierce was my first Bond and I loved GOLDENEYE, liked TOMORROW NEVER DIES, was ok with THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH and ended up hating DIE ANOTHER DAY.

    CASINO ROYALE was a breath of fresh air and while all of the films that followed fell short in varying degrees, Craig's portrayle is what made me start to really appreciate the character and the original source material. I went back and read most of the Fleming novels and I began to do a real deep dive into the previous films and gained a real appreciation for them. Yes, Die Another Day included.
     
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  25. alexpop

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    Well I watched them all real time, so I have my favourites. Guess Goldfinger was the BIG phenomenon one... so much merchandise Corgie car - ejector seat. .. to old to chew on the tyres :D
     

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