No Time to Die (2021 James Bond film). May include spoilers!*

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  1. twicks

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    Has Connery ever had a scene like the one in the car at the end of OHMSS? Lazenby pulls it off quite well IMO.
     
  2. Doctor Worm

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    The Craig era is so frustrating. When it was good we got some of the best Bond material ever; when it was bad we got material that ranks among the worst. It's clear they didn't have a plan going in and kept trying to link the films together, which didn't work half as well as they probably thought it would. Around the time of Skyfall and Spectre I remember thinking that they were writing themselves into a corner. It often felt like Craig never fully morphed into the Bond we know and love, instead becoming more mopey, unstable, and insular. That worked in Fleming's books but didn't translate well onto the screen. No Time to Die dropped the ball in so many areas and that ending still remains the worst decision they ever made (even worse than the Blofeld and Bond brothers angle).

    I really hope they can come back strong and inject some fun back into the series. Craig was a good Bond with uneven scripts and it lacked the escapism and fun that permeates the series.
     
  3. Spaghettiows

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    I'll give Lazenby that. Do I think Connery, assuming he had bought in to the role at that stage, would have done it better? Yes, I do.
     
  4. Well you’d be wrong but he did do a really good job and he was in the best, most well rounded (if overlong) Bond film.
     
  5. Not according to Dalton. He stated that he was around 25 when it occurred and that would have been around the time of “Live and Let Die”. This would have been around the time he made “Mary Queen of Scots”. He was, of course, approached a second time before Moore took over and declined that as well.
     
  6. Doctor Worm

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    Dalton was originally approached around the time of OHMSS but felt he was too young for the part. That shows quite a bit of maturity on his part, turning down a dream role because he didn't feel he was right for it at that time. He ended up getting his shot nearly two decades later and was amazing. I wish he'd been able to do one or two more films.
     
  7. Tony Glass

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    Would have loved to have seen Dalton in Goldeneye. I think it would have cemented him in the role for several more years. Shame the lawsuit at the time held everything up.
     
  8. That’s how they keep Up with the times. They changed the tone in the 70’s/80’s, again in the 90’s and in the 00’s, given that he died st the end of the last Bond film, they would have to reinvent him again.
     
  9. Well, according to Dalton, it was around the time of “Live and Let Die” as I recall from the doc.
     
  10. twicks

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    I see there's a trailer for the new Knives Out movie...kinda hilarious that Craig couldn't wait to ditch Bond so he could do wacky accents in light comedies.
     
  11. Doctor Worm

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    He was approached both times, once in 1969 and again after Diamonds Are Forever. Apparently he was also being considered in the early 80's. From the James Bond wiki:

    Dalton was approached in 1969 to replace Sean Connery in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but turned it down because he felt he was too young to play Bond at the time. He was offered the role again for 1973's Live and Let Die, but the role was given to Roger Moore. Dalton was suggested again for the role in Octopussy, but due to the possible box-office threat of the non-Eon film, Never Say Never Again, Moore remained Bond until Dalton's first outing as Bond in The Living Daylights.
     
  12. shokhead

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    Have you seen the first movie?
     
  13. twicks

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    Yes. And after SPECTRE I'd probably settle for being in that instead too.
     
  14. shokhead

    shokhead Head shok and you still don't what it is. HA! Thread Starter

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    I was thinking about watching it.
     
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  15. HarrySmith

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    Dalton for OHMSS is a myth that just won't die. Any 'Confirmation' to be found anywhere, be it online or in print media is utterly spurious and based on a misunderstanding.
     
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  16. AppleCorp3

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    I enjoyed it and everyone I’ve recommended it to have as well.
     
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  17. AngusStanley

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    Daniel Craig and that stupid accent was the worst thing in Knives Out. The rest was okay, as far as knockabout ensemble romps go.
     
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  18. gabbleratchet7

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    I just watched it for the first time and quite enjoyed it. Mind you, I think Casino Royale is the last Craig movie I saw, so now I feel compelled to go back and watch Spectre…
     
  19. finslaw

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    This film is hard for me to peg, but right now is ranked in my bottom 8 Bond films. It jumps the shark more than laser guns and whatever Die Another Day did, and it does that while being bloated and being terribly/obviously color graded.

    I don't think Connery would have been all that believable as a romantic, much less a heartbroken one.
     
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  20. Bluesman Mark

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    I consider Craig to be the best actor to play 007, (I rank Connery 2nd), but of his 5 films, only Casino & Skyfall really work for me. Quantum was interesting at 1st in picking up the storuline directly from where Casino ended, but it was such a bad movie. Spectre I had high hopes for, due to bringing back the iconic organization & Ernst Stavro Bloefeld, but the script was wretched & the opportunity, (as well as Christoph Waltz as Bloefeld), was terribly wasted. With No Time To Die, in addition to everything else you mentioned, (the color grading was especially annoying), I did not like Rami Malek as the villain at all, (making me glad I didn't want to & didn't see the Freddie Mercury biopic), & virtually nothing in the film worked for me, to where by the utterly predictable ending, I just wanted it to be over.

    I'm not sure where 007 can go next, as they seem to have ran out of interesting ideas & villains since the 2 Dalton films, with the exception of the 2 Daniel Craig films I mentioned. The Brosnan films were an unmitigated disaster to me, & 3 of the 5 Craig films were much the same. Perhaps it's simply time for 007 to be retired, because they seem to have completely lost the thread. It's not even a matter of 007 not being "suitable" for the post "PC" crowd, as the character can be adapted as we've seen, it's that the screenwriting is so very bad.
     
  21. mtrot

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    Well, that's what I was thinking, regarding the dominant current PC ideology. I don't see how you can now have a believable Bond character who remotely resembles the Bond in the Fleming novels.

    However, what about going back to the roots and make a new Bond film that is set back in the day, maybe in the 1960's? By doing so, the audience would understand that the world and people were different at that time and a ruthless, mostly amoral, womanizing Bond would be more believable. Such a film could revolve around the cold war in some way.
     
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  22. Bluesman Mark

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    In some ways, (as Craig showed in Casino & Skyfall, Connery showed in From Russia With Love, Goldfinger & You Only Live Twice, Dalton in his 2 films, & even Roger Moore showed some in For You Eyes Only), the right actor with the right script can capture any/many of the traits of Fleming's Bond, no matter the current climate, as there are many different facets of Fleming's character. To me, in order to truly capture Fleming's 007, all they have to focus on is the fact that he's a cold, calculating, cruel, ruthless, amoral SOB. The womanizing aspects can be toned down or jettisoned completely for the post PC crowd, as long as the core of the character stays true to himself.

    That said, another reboot of the series, set in the '50s/'60s, could be a more natural way around these issues, but then we run the risk of 007 being like a fly trapped in amber, & we'd lose the opportunity to see Bond in the modern era. Either approach is a double edged sword no matter what they do. However, a retro Bond has worked well with some of the post Fleming novels, which have some set in the '50s/'60s & those are squarely in the Fleming tradition, & some even have previously unused material by Fleming as their basis & as part of the actual story. Since it does work from a story perspective in those novels, it easily could on film.
     
  23. finslaw

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    One issue is that with TV replacing film, we already exhausted the origin story and threaded narrative in the Craig years. Going back to a standalone movie would be counter to the (unfortunate) serialized storytelling of the current culture. If anything, I can see the next move being a Bond TV show (please NO.) As an alternative, I would say given the franchise to directors who will apply their own aesthetic and see what happens. I would not mind a Tarantino or Edgar Wright Bond film by this point, and he would give it that retro spin and snappy dialogue people are talking about here and have some actual stuntwork without the green screen. Christopher Nolan however would just give us Skyfall part 2.
     
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  24. It's Felix

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    We really don’t want a womanising Bond again, those 60s movies are just offensive to women. Woke or PC or whatever you call it, watch them again with your daughter and tell me they aren’t offensive.
     
  25. Uglyversal

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    Because people like that don't exist in 2023?
     

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