SH Spotlight Now it can be told: Why did some of the DCC Gold's sound so "unique" compared to other CD's?

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    A few of you missed this..
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  2. sassi

    sassi Forum Resident

    Steve, does it go for both the US and Japan versions of HW61? I would think so. :)
  3. Steve Hoffman

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  4. sassi

    sassi Forum Resident

    Thanks. I got to get Strange Days. It is still missing from my collection. Crazy prices on eBay! :D
  5. Steve Hoffman

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    Isn't the AP SACD good? I heard it was.
  6. pdenny

    pdenny 20-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

    Hawthorne CA
    Sounds clinical and bottomless compared to the DCC---dang that one sounds sooooo buttery :love:
  7. Partyslammer

    Partyslammer Lord Of The New Church

    Cool. I have the two Doors and the Van Halen CDs (and the LP release of VH as well).

    My understanding is that VH's 1984 was mastered for DCC as well but for whatever reasons, was shelved. If so, was that also mastered on this rig Or did that project ever get to that stage?
  8. Claus

    Claus Senior Member

    The DCC Doors sound fantastic, especially the first two. I prefer the AP SACDs on the last two albums.
  9. bruce2

    bruce2 Forum Resident

    Connecticut, USA
    It kills me that they did not release 1984. It might be my favorite album of all time.
  10. marcb

    marcb Senior Member

    DC area
    After the three Steve gave us, I would have guessed HW61 and McCartney. Both of those discs have some "wow" moments that really stand out to me as memorable even in comparison to other DCCs. I've long said the DCC Like A Rolling Stone has a certain something that the AF version doesn't.

    And I own every single DCC gold disc so I've heard 'em all.

    Much as like the Van Halen disc, I wouldn't have guessed that one. I never thought other iterations sounded that far out on the "solid state" bell curve.
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  11. teag

    teag Forum Resident

    The AP Doors LPs are great sounding. Of course, thats vinyl, not SACD. Just in case anyone was wondering (although this is not a revelation to many).
  12. Steve Hoffman

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    You're speaking of the AP "Strange Days"? Well, let me fill you in on something. That's pretty much how the mix sounds in its unaltered state. Clinical and bottomless. Which is interesting because Love's "Forever Changes" mixed by the same person on the same gear sounds nothing like that. Maybe Bruce was trying to get a livelier sound? I don't know.

    However, the first "LEDO" by Elektra clearly documents trying to "fix" the sound of "Strange Days" by making it warmer and more natural sounding. I followed the LEDO version very carefully (since it's the cutting master for all the stereo LPs.) So the DCC version has bass and it has a nice, organic quality. I would have thought the Analogue Productions version would have done the same since Chad always loved the DCC. Who mastered the AP version? Do you know? Just curious.
  13. Apple2276

    Apple2276 Forum Resident

    I have all but VanHalen.
  14. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Senior Member

    Doug Sax.
  15. OK, now what are the 11 secret herbs and spices???... ;)
  16. bmoregnr

    bmoregnr Forum Rezident

    1060 W. Addison
    I don't know how much Bruce was involved but they do say "have been remastered by Doug Sax and The Doors’ original engineer Bruce Botnick"
  17. pdenny

    pdenny 20-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

    Hawthorne CA
    History is fun! :righton: Very interesting--did not know about the Elektra "fix"--you certainly spoiled us by emulating it, however :agree: I've kept the AP's as they're a more convenient way of hearing the 5.1 mixes vs. the PERCEPTION box, but maybe I'll revisit the stereo versions again as I haven't played them in a couple of years at least.
  18. mpayan

    mpayan Resident Mofi Shill

    Have all of them minus Van Halen. Still enjoy those Doors quite a bit. I guess lots of research and simple mastering is best.
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  19. George P

    George P Notable Member

    I asked Steve via PM and he confirmed that both the Japan and USA masterings of Highgway 61 were mastered using the Original Universal Audio EQ designed by Bill Putnam and vacuum tube Ampex electronics.
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  20. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa Buy now or cry later

    Damn I miss those old DCCs. Wish you guys were still cranking them out, Steve
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  21. oboogie

    oboogie Forum Resident

    Being a big fan of Iain Matthews, can you share any history / stories on your mastering of Nights In Manhattan (And Points West)? The DCC cd is incredible... plays so fine. Like Iain, Mark, and Craig are there in your listening room. There are no other releases to compare the cd with, only my memories of being present at one of the concerts.
  22. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Chevelle Ma Belle

    Mid Atlantic
    If my memory is correct Mr Hoffman sort of spilled the beans about this back in the 90s. I vaguely remember some interviews in the audiophile mags where he talked about the problems with lifeless sounding recordings and various techniques to compensate.
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  23. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product

    that gave me a big ol' belly laugh. cheers :edthumbs:
  24. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

    Steve any hints as to what was done on DCC Prestige jazz CDs? These don't sound like the OJC CDs, ie Saxophone Colossus DCC has more bite to it.
  25. Steve Hoffman

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    Reopened by request.
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