Ocean of Violets: Prince song by song

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lance LaSalle, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Michael Macrone

    Michael Macrone Forum Resident

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    San Francisco, CA
    "Housequake": 5/5

    In my dream world, Prince released both Camille and The Black Album, with what was left of Crystal Ball in between. While I wouldn't go so far as to call Camille his best album, it still would have been better than anything after Lovesexy (which would then have replaced "When 2 R in Love" with something more fitting).

    Precisely! Prince isn't hiding his intentions here.

    I think "Sexy MF" edges it out as a pastiche, but "Housequake" is of course the superior track.
     
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  2. hotstuffmama

    hotstuffmama El Supremo

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    new york, ny
    Housequake...welcome back funky Prince! Shut up already...damn. 4/5
     
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  3. alugjk

    alugjk Senior Member

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    Atlanta, GA
    Housequake

    The first of the Camille songs, all of which I love. Even my mom would dance when this one came on!

    5/5
     
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  4. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus Thread Starter

    I can't stand whiskey -- I consider it the most overrated beverage ever.

    Our votes for "Housequake"

    1-0
    2-0
    3-0
    4-9
    5-13
    Average: 4.5136

    (Mo'Quake: 4.35, two votes)
     
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  5. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus Thread Starter

    Today's song is "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker", written and produced by Prince.

    Lyric.

    Three versions of this song exist; two have been released. The first version is the album version and was recorded on March 13th, 1986: the first song recorded at Galpin Boulevard Home Studio (aka Paisley Park.)

    Prince: all vocals and instruments
    Susannah Melvoin: vocals

    The second version has horn overdubs by Eric Leeds -- it was released on the Sign o' the Times Super Deluxe set in 2020.The third, unreleased version has orchestral overdubs by Clare Fischer.

    This song was at one time planned as the fourth song on side one of Dream Factory as early as April 1986 and remained in that position throughout the whole process into Crystal Ball and, finally, this album.

    A live version, recorded on April 21st, 2002 was released on One Nite Alone...It Ain't Over: the Aftershow.

    Notes:
    • while the song references Dorothy Parker, Prince claimed he had never read her books at the time of recording and that the song came to him in a dream. Some however have pointed to similarity in the narrative to "Big Blonde" one of her short stories. He claims to have been suprised to learn that a person named Dorothy Parker existed; however, Neal Karl claims he sent Prince a copy of a book of The Portable Dorothy Parker some time before the recording because of a poem called "Resume", which concerned suicide, a topic Prince had broached with Karl.
    • Also, Prince interpolates part of Joni Mitchell's "Help Me, I Think I'm Falling" in this song; and some have seen the song's as related to that one.
     
  6. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus Thread Starter

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    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus Thread Starter

  8. Freek999

    Freek999 Forum Resident

    The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker
    lp version 5/5
    overdubbed 4/5

    one of the highlights on this album. I never much liked it in live versions, too jazzy for me, the studio version is far superior
     
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  9. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident

    Location:
    San Francisco
    That's more like it - Parade meets the early '70s and maybe a hint of 1999. There's a delightful warped, out of tune quality to the whole thing, like it was some old record or 8-track tape or maybe 16mm film being projected in some classroom. The whole encounter he describes with the waitress is dreamlike and amusing as well, from ordering a fruit cocktail to taking a bubble bath with all his clothes on.

    It's just "Help Me", off Joni's brilliant Court And Spark. I adore the way he renders the ringing phone at the end of that quote - genius.

    He also quotes Joni at the end of the bubble bath sequence, doesn't he? Not lyrically but with the melody. Or does that bit just remind me of "7", toward the end of its chorus?

    5/5 Wonderful moody cut. A little jazzy, a bit sophistipop maybe, with oddly muffled, pinched sonics, like something very old yet not old. Doesn't try as hard as "Housequake" or especially "Play In The Sunshine", just naturally works a little magic.
     
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  10. Campaigner

    Campaigner Too late to cause a stir

    Location:
    Australia
    'The Ballad of Dorothy Parker', like 'Kiss' and 'When Doves Cry' before it, is a classic song that I know is a classic song, but one that I'm not in love with even though I appreciate its greatness.

    I think it's because of its re-listenability. I would rather repeat listen to 'Play in the Sunshine' than TBODP, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what TBODP brings to the table.

    I think Susan Rogers has spoken of the song's recording, and how things were 'wrong', but Prince just ran with it, and I think that's its true greatness. It doesn't sound polished, or rehearsed. It sounds like 2am on a Friday night as things are winding down.

    As for the horns version on the SOTT deluxe edition, I was definitely put off by that initial blast of horns. It's just too busy (and this song don't need busy) and it doesn't work, and from that point I was prejudiced against it - but it actually turns out really well. Not as great as the original version, but definitely better than my first thoughts/fears

    Album version: 5/5
    Horns version: 4.5/5
     
  11. possumdude

    possumdude "Spies Like Us" Aficionado

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    The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker - pure genius. Every second of this song is an incredible piece of art from start to finish. The way he weaves his vocals, using call and response and different vocal registers to keep you on your toes while expertly setting the scene in which the song takes place, is unlike much else I've heard in all of the music I've listened to. And the warbly, dreamlike production is absolutely necessary for this song to be as great as it is (thank god for whatever was wrong with that new console that Susan Rogers set up before this was tracked).

    I wish I knew the right words to say to do justice to this masterpiece of a song, but honestly, the best way to take it in is to just listen. Multiple times in a row. Maybe in a smoky, dimly lit bar if you're into that kind of thing.

    5/5 (only because 50/5 isn't allowed)

    ps: Prince was right to take the horns out of this song. Sometimes, less is more.
     
  12. possumdude

    possumdude "Spies Like Us" Aficionado

    Location:
    USA
    Now I'm imagining some alternate timeline where Prince had released a double or triple album including this song, "Power Fantastic", and "Joy In Repetition" - three of the best songs he ever laid to tape. Perhaps three moody masterpiece ballads is too much for one album, but minds would have been blown, I think.
     
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  13. croquetlawns

    croquetlawns Forum Resident

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    Scotland
    Dorothy - 5/5
     
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  14. webmatador

    webmatador Friend Of The People

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    Austin, TX, USA
    "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker" with horns on the SOTT deluxe puts me in a Steely Dan frame of mind. This is a good thing.
     
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  15. Orthogonian Blues

    Orthogonian Blues A man with a fork in a world full of soup.

    Location:
    London, UK
    There will be no contrariness from me this time.

    5/5

    Exhibit A in the case for why Prince, at his peak, was in a creative league of his own.

    I love how the rolling clavinet and skittish organ set the mood. Its an impressionist picture of being in a part of town that you know that you shouldn't be in.

    The horns on the alternate version would have been better if they were more muted and less busy. As it is, they stick out like a sore thumb.

    One last thing - it's often posited that Dorothy here wasn't a waitress, but a prostitute. Hmmmm.
     
  16. Lance LaSalle

    Lance LaSalle Prince of Swollen Sinus Thread Starter

    Another song that, when I first head it, made me say "what the f.... is this?" This one grew on me pretty quickly, though, with it's rather abstract melody that somehow ends up being beautiful. Fantastic instrumentation, too! The bass!

    Interesting sound: i forgot to mention that the odd sound on this was due to a malfunction in the board, but Prince liked the sound of it, though he told Susan Rogers to fix the problem for future recodings.

    Eric Leeds sax hooks are interesting but oddly detract from the vocal melody and lyric and Prince made the right decision to leave them off the album version.

    The lyric is highly unusual for Prince; it depicts some odd chance encounter betwen the protagonist and a waitress which takes a turn for the surreal. While I doubt it was a direct influence the bizarre turns the tale takes remind me a little of "Norwegian Wood."

    It's really weird that this surreal jazz-pop number was released by one of the super stars of the 80. 5/5
     
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  17. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Senior Member

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    The Ballad of Dorothy Parker
    What an extraordinary song. Lovely arrangement and textures. No verse/chorus, just a sort of monologue of Prince magic, Prince genius.
    SOTT version - 5/5
    Brass version - 4.5/5
    Live version - 5/5
     
  18. Gavaxeman

    Gavaxeman Take me back to dear old Blighty...

    Location:
    West Midlands U.K.
    The ballad of D P..

    The original release works best for me , another minimalist gem. 4/5
     
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  19. groovelocked

    groovelocked Forum Resident

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    Columbus OH (USA)
    Housequake/Mo Quake.. 4.5/5

    dorothy parker.. 5/5
     
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  20. Vagabone

    Vagabone Forum Resident

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    UK
    Nice song with that glorious Prince idiosyncrasy. Bizarre lyrics, confusing title and no chorus, I'm going with 4/5
     
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  21. Joker to the thief

    Joker to the thief Forum Resident

    Location:
    London, UK
    @Campaigner hit the nail on the head when he said that it sounds like 2am as things are winding down. That's one of the reasons I love it - it really reminds me of being in my 20s and ending up in some sort of restaurant or cafe at the end of the night - because it was the only place still open in the days before 24 hour drinking in the UK - and how everything felt 'turned down' and distance, struggling to keep going. I know that the top end was cut off because of recording problems, and that this was accidental, but I figure that quality must have been why Prince kept it - it reflects the lyrics perfectly. 5/5
     
  22. masswriter

    masswriter Minister At Large

    Location:
    New England
    "TBODP" is brilliant, quirky, and one of a kind, the type of song that only a guy like Prince could have come up with back in the day. He continues his solid streak here from the opening track until things start to falter a bit with the next track. A solid 5/5.
     
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  23. Wordnat2

    Wordnat2 Square as hay, dull as cattle.

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    Boise
    “The Ballad of Dorothy Parker”: This is next level songwriting — it’s easy to understand why it survived all of the Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/Camille drama. 5/5
     
  24. Piiijiii

    Piiijiii Hundalasiliah

    Location:
    Ruhr Area, Germany
    I think each of those albums, Parade, SOTT, Lovesexy has a unique sound with Lovesexy being my favourite one, kind of SOTT warped with the funky Black Album sound.

    I like it with a lot of coke.

    I mean the drink ...


    The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker

    This is a great song when played live, especially those Lovesexy aftershow versions when it segues into Four by Madhouse ... just brilliant.

    Prince didn't nail some songs in the studio with Joy In Repetition being the prime example. Dorothy Parker is also one of them.

    So only a 3.5/5.

    I know many live version that are a 5/5!

    That's why so many Prince fans collect bootlegs, you can find incredible stuff that is as worthy as the released records.

    There's a fab version in this video!
     
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  25. thekid87

    thekid87 Forum Resident

    Location:
    The Netherlands
    First whisky with an 'e' and then with a coke? Just wow.... :yikes:

    "Yeah, let me get a fruit cocktail, I ain't too hungry"
     
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