Old US Pressing of ‘Beggar's Banquet’ at Correct Speed

Maybe slightly, but the silence is at the end of the tracks on the SACD too, so it should more or less work out. Have not tried synching....maybe tomorrow. [Listening to Martin Denny now....time to relax.] I doubt they would sync, but you never know. There could be some early fades on the SACD, although I would think someone would have mentioned that.

 

Could you please upload some samples of side 2, Pete? That's a definite match as far as I can tell.

 

Gaps on the SACD

 

The gaps on my LP are much longer; there's about a seven-second gap between ‘Dear Doctor’ and ‘Parachute Woman’, for example.

 

The London CD has 2.1 seconds between every song except Parachute Woman and Jigsaw Puzzle which has 4.1. It's an early CD so it's probably not indexed properly.

The gaps between the 2002 Let it Bleed and the original are also completely different. On the 2002 it's like they tried to make it run non stop.

 

The US London vinyl Let It Bleed ran gapless so they were emulating that.

 

It did? I was wondering about that. I have to wonder if that was another case where there was a US pressing cut from the masters with subsequent pressings cut from copies until the SACD.

 

Does anyone know if the early UK pressings, mono & stereo are correct?

 

Both of my US vinyl copies have the same guitar bleed on "Love In Vain" that you hear on the London CD but not the SACD. I can also hear the choir take their collective breath before "You Can't Always Get What You Want" which is also on the SACD but not the London CD. Not sure what it proves but thought I'd put it out there.

 

On ALL CDs of Their Satanic Majesties Request there's no gap between Sing This Song All Together (See What Happens) and Cosmic Christmas but on the vinyl there's a long silence.

 

Like I mentioned above I have a hunch that the "bleed" was due to processing during mastering, which was then printed on the copy tapes. So unfortunately that wouldn't be a way to differentiate what source was used. And unfortunately there probably aren't pressings without it.

It would be interesting to know if any Decca copies have the breath before YCAGWYW, and if there are gaps or not.

 

I'm told the original Decca had gaps. Don't know about YCAGWYW though.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=113886&highlight=bleed

 

Ok.

So, the gaps on your LP are *slightly* longer than on the SACD? Assuming the same tapes were used (which, perhaps, isn't a correct assumption), it's odd that the gaps aren't the same.

 

Actually I was wrong there. The gaps are the same on the US LP and SACD.

 

Ok, that makes sense then.

Sounds like a similar situation with Beggars and Let It Bleed then. Except the Let It Bleed dubs aren't at the wrong speed.

I have to wonder exactly what the damage is on the Beggars masters. It's a shame, since the SACD otherwise sounds excellent.

 

So I tried, it does not even come close to staying in sync with the SACD. I don't think the issue is gap times, my LP is just notably slower.

I will post some later.

 

Damn, I looked again, and I still can't find a difference between your side 2 matrix code and mine…do you think the speed was somehow changed when the label was changed?

 

So the times on the right are the gapless SACD times? These times are still about 1% slower than the times on the London vinyl labels. My vinyl is 2% slower and if I turn the speed up 2% on my record player the times match the label almost exactly without counting the gaps. It would seem to me that the times from the labels would have come from the mixing engineer and would be correct.


I wonder if someone with perfect pitch has determined which of these speeds is correct.

 

The 1st figure is the gap BEFORE the track. To play a redbook CD there has to be at least a 2 second gap before track one.

Since there's lots of piano on BB anyone with perfect pitch should be able to tell if it's been slowed anything less than a semitone.

 

A speed change would have required a new cut. And thus new matrix information.

Of course, it could have been written quite similar to that for a previous cut, but it couldn't have been the exact same writing.

 

Here's the first minute of "Street Fighting Man":

https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVqZm1kQ1JqY3F4djlVag

From side two of LP shown in this post. (XZAL-8477 B)

 

Thank you. I got your version to sync with my version up until the first chorus or so. Is that what happened to you?

 

That is noticeably slower than the SACD. I don't have the London CD in front of me, but it basically matches what's on the original ABKCO Singles Collection. Definitely not the correct speed.

 

Can somebody upload a sample from the SACD?

 

Just as a reality check on my methodology, I compared a needledrop I made a couple days ago of Let It Bleed to the times on the SACD. This is what I usually experience when doing needledrops, most tracks within a second or two of each other.

........................... LP - SACD
1. Gimme Shelter 4:32 - 4:31
2. Love In Vain 4:20 - 4:19
3. Country Honk 3:08 - 3:07
4. Live With Me 3:33 - 3:33
5. Let It Bleed 5:29 - 5:28
6. Midnight Rambler 6:54 - 6:53
7. You Got the Silver 2:52 - 2:51
8. Monkey Man 4:13 - 4:11
9. You Can't Always... 7:29 - 7:29

I feel pretty certain that the copy of Beggars Banquet I just bought runs slow on both sides 1 & 2 compared to the SACD. Actually, side 2 seems to run a tad slower than my other copy, while side 1 runs a little faster (but both sides run slower than the SACD). I suspect there is just a lot of variation out there between pressings of this album, although I am at a loss to explain why sides with apparently identical matrix numbers would run at different speeds.