OLED TV/Monitor Owner Thread ver. Dolby Vision is neat

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by White_Noise, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. White_Noise

    White_Noise Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Templeton, MA
    The movers destroyed my 2016 65" LG C6. They threw it curved face down on a truck and let somebody's coffee table fall on the back of it. They ended up giving me $700 back for a TV I payed almost 3 grand for a year ago.

    I haven't had a TV since then. My dad recently bought an 85" Samsung for his new living room and... it honestly looks like total crap in comparison. I'll definitely be buying a 2018 model LG OLED eventually, but it'll probably be a year or so before I can reasonably spend that amount of money on something non essential. I still think about how damn good that display was. It gave me a whole new appreciation for cinema, seriously, as shallow as that may sound.
     
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  2. Deesky

    Deesky Forum Resident

    Maybe the mover was trying to straighten it for you! :D I feel for ya...
     
  3. White_Noise

    White_Noise Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Templeton, MA
    Although I'm not huge on 3D, I did think that television did it far better than I've seen otherwise and it's a shame that it was the last year to support it. I don't really understand that decision since it should cost basically nothing to include that feature even if it's not very popular anymore. I actually did like the curve in the TV even though I usually find it obnoxious on other televisions. It was more subtle than other manufacturers and added to the aesthetic of the unit.

    I know that the brightness was improved on the 2017 models and the processing chip improved on the 2018 units. I'm sure it's not a night and day difference but has anyone noticed the improvement? I guess I'm looking for some reason to feel positive about needing to "upgrade".... I was considering spending money on a high end computer monitor but I've read that the "HDR" has not been implemented nearly as well as that available on televisions.

    Oh well, it's just "stuff" I guess. Certainly infuriating but I still have my health :chill:
     
  4. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

    Location:
    Hollywood, USA
    That completely sucks! I have seen 55" LG C6's for as little as $1200, so there's that. Quite a few up on eBay right now, if you can live with a used one.

    I have a good-condition Panasonic BT300 42" Plasma I'm selling. Haven't gotten around to putting it up on eBay, because I'm too damned busy, but it's in good shape in the box, still calibrated, $500 out the door. Used it back in January on a feature and it was great.
     
  5. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

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    NY
    I will eventually get it professionally calibrated when it is in the budget (I wasn't' expecting to be replacing my Panasonic Plasma so soon), but can I use the old Disney World of Wonder BluRay to tweak it? Any suggested Picture settings?
     
  6. RK2249

    RK2249 Forum Resident

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    South Jersey
    Am very close to purchasing the LG 77OLED C8....just can't bring myself to do it.

    My 9 year old plasma is still so good, I'm afraid if the LG isn't perfect to my eyes, I'll regret it. 95% of what I'll be watching will be 2k so 4k and HDR aren't huge selling points to me, but the OLEDs true blacks and 77" screen are hugely appealing. I'm just concerned about motion handling and not being able to get a good film-like look like you can with plasma.

    Am still debating but once the plasma craps out, it's OLED all the way.
     
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  7. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    I have a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro-151FD 60” plasma that I’ve had for 10 years, and I keep calibrated with a colorimeter. Earlier this year I bought the 65” LG C7, for a different room. I think you’d love the 77”.

    Just like with plasma, if you set up the OLED correctly, you’ll get an amazing picture. Motion handling is just fine. You’ll swear you’re watching a sharper, brighter version of your plasma. I’ve debated on replacing my 60” Kuro with either the 77” LG, or a front projection system.

    Also, once you get the taste of 4K on the 77”, you’ll never miss the plasma. This is speaking from experience :)
     
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  8. As an aside, does anyone have an opinion on the Sony X900F series? They're supposed to be a good option for those on tighter budgets who can't afford the OLED/QLED sets.
     
  9. White_Noise

    White_Noise Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Templeton, MA
    I have been (still am) a big plasma fan. I bought my last plasma TV in 2013 and enjoyed it until I got my OLED. Up until ~3 years ago plasma sets still had the best picture ESPECIALLY color. I also enjoyed it unironically as a 65" space heater in the winter time.

    Let me put at least these fears to rest: I have never, NEVER enjoyed looking at the grain of a film so much as I did with my OLED. I became obsessed with film restoration and cinematography in a way I wasn't really before. I agree with you in that I barely care about 4k. At 65" and especially 77" it does make a noticeable difference, but obviously not close to the difference between 720p and 1080p. I bought a 4k blu ray player but mostly play 1080p criterion blu rays (which almost always look better than my 4K discs).

    I play PS4 and PC games on my set in addition to watching sports and the motion is also better than any plasma I've seen. Motion was only a problem with OLEDs until 2016 or so.

    But yes, the main reason you like plasma is also the main reason that the 77" OLED C8 is unquestionably the best consumer television in existence: Dolby Vision and HDR10 is entactogenic color pornography. It's exactly like the first time you watched an HDTV 20 years ago and thought "How does this look better than real life?". It's so evocative that it could be considered a form of synesthesia. I frequently watched things in which I had no subject interest because my eyes couldn't help themselves.

    If you're in the enviable position of affording a TV good enough to be seized during a Chapter 7; may I recommend spending the next day of the rest of your life with an OLED? I just may.
     
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  10. charlie W

    charlie W EMA Level 8

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    San Antonio
    I bought a TCL 55R617 in mid-May while TCL has a special one-day sale on its 6 series. I wanted full array local dimming in an LCD screen. It has Roku and Dolby Vision. I'm not taking the plunge into 4k ultra Blu-ray format. The TCL 6-Series have been highly rated for best bang for the buck when it comes to UHD televisions under $1k. Some users are experiencing faulty LCD panels fresh out of the box but mine works fine. Curiously, it has a composite video input in the form of a mini-jack audio plug.
     
  11. bresna

    bresna Forum Resident

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    York, Maine
    There have been claims that the improvement in light output in the 2017 models was 100% due to the removal of the 3D filter, which may explain LG's decision to go that way.
     
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  12. scobb

    scobb Forum Resident

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    Sydney, Australia
    Can you show a link?
     
  13. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

    Location:
    Hollywood, USA
    I'm seeing brand-new old-stock (NOS) LG OLED55B7's go for $1500 on Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electroni...1539814518&sr=8-1&keywords=LG+OLED+B7+55-inch

    The C8s's are only a few hundred bucks more. I was glad to buy the original B6 for $2500, so a thousand less for the newer model is incredible. As far as I'm concerned, they're so cheap, buy one and know up front you'll probably replace it in 2-3 years.

    It wasn't that long ago that a Pioneer 50" HD Plasma was ten thousand dollars, so you're still coming out ahead.

    I haven't heard that. They told me it was 90% a marketing decision and that spending money for the Dolby Vision HDR license made better sense than 3D.
     
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  14. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    Hollywood, USA
    Naw, it'll do that just fine. Just turn all the automatic crap off. It does help to have a pro come in and calibrate the set.

    If anybody wants it, I still have a 50" Panasonic BT-300 plasma that I held on to for a year as a backup just in case any of the OLEDs went bad, but they didn't. I think it's got 5000 hours on it, I have all the packing materials, and the optional ($2000) HD-SDI connection board, and still looks great. Make me such an offer!
     
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  15. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    Hollywood, USA
    Doh, and I had forgotten it's only a 42" Plasma. My bad.
     
  16. tomhayes

    tomhayes Forum Resident

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    San Diego, Ca
    42 isn't big enough for a marvel movie, and isn't small enough to watch porn without being frightened - you might be stuck with that one :)
     
  17. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    Hollywood, USA
    I'm gonna dump it soon on Craigslist and a couple of fledgling colorist websites. There's always somebody trying to figure out how to dive into the color business with no clue as to what it takes, until they discover that not any monitor will work for the process.
     
  18. tomhayes

    tomhayes Forum Resident

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    San Diego, Ca
    I was watching some Property Brothers on Hulu and I spotted a STUCK PIXEL ON MY TV!!!!

    I saw it while they were talking to the woman asking about what type of counter top do they like and when her dark hair moved when she moved her head a bright stuck pixel was visible during the entire scene. I ran the scene several times and it was there each time.

    So I ran the "Pixel Refresher" cycle on the TV twice and it was still there!!

    Then, just for fun - I watch the same episode on my computer and the stuck pixel is on my computer too! So it's just an issue with the material - not my TV.

    Property Brothers S4 E5 Sarah and Mari at around 37:00 minutes in!

    [​IMG]
     
  19. bru87tr

    bru87tr Forum Resident

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    Lowell, MA
    That happens a lot.
     
  20. Al Kuenster

    Al Kuenster Forum Resident

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    Las Vegas, NV - US
    I just bought a 2018 65" LG OLED that is on sale for Super Bowl weekend, just have not gotten around to setting it up yet, looking forward to it.
     
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  21. R. Cat Conrad

    R. Cat Conrad While the moderators jest... Well, you know

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    D/FW Metroplex
    Dolby Vision is great on my SONY 65" Z9D monitor. Alas, there's no "O" in front of the LED (no burn-in or image retention risks either, regardless of aspect ratio), so I'll apologize in advance if I come across like an undesired colony of ants at this picnic. FTR, I do love the absolute black levels of OLED with no blooming. Even with full array local dimming flaring scenes and heavy contrast white lettering over black can't be fully resolved without minor bloom.

    It just seems like everything with modern TV monitors involves some kind of trade off. The good news is that there may be something in the pipeline that'll be a next-generation game changer. And that new technology ...which really isn't so much a new tech as a miniaturized older one... might just be micro-LED. Early reports are that there's no image retention issues and less financial cost to the engineering. This may be where the rumored 8K sets in development will originate.

    That said, the OLED monitors I've seen have a pretty remarkable picture and the prices have come way down from where they were even a year or two ago.

    :cheers:
    Cat
     
  22. Kiko1974

    Kiko1974 Forum Resident

    Sorry for what may surely be a silly question but, why can't OLED's match light emission of a good LCD/LED? Do you think LG will ever get to match OLED's light emission to LCD/LED one?
     
  23. Deesky

    Deesky Forum Resident

    OLEDs are self-emissive, ie, the pixels generate their own light. Current gen OLED TVs have really upped their brightness levels since their introduction. However, they are still not as bright as many LCDs. LCDs are not self-emissive which means they need to be lit from behind by a bright light, which is then filtered by the LCD panel. In practice, this means that you can easily crank up the backlighting intensity using powerful LED lights.

    The benefit is a brighter picture but at the expense of black levels, lighting control and viewing angles. I'd take an OLED any day.

    Also, watch for an emerging new tech called microLED. These panels have all the strengths of OLED (and more), including very high brightness levels.
     
  24. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

    Location:
    Central PA
    Do ya have...a crowbar...? :idea: Do ya know where the movers park that truck...? :evil:
     
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  25. White_Noise

    White_Noise Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Templeton, MA
    They were speaking in Ukrainian. I'm guessing they were probably deported by now...and if they are from Ukraine then I guess that's probably punishment enough. The moving company who contracted them said they were fired. At least they were kind enough to refund me $700 for the $3000 TV I had bought 6 months earlier :sigh:

    Wonder if the 2019 models will be worth paying premium for...
     

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