Ortofon 2M Series PnP and Concordes for Technics SL-1200GR

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by DoF, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Livewire91

    Livewire91 Mammagamma Member

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    Cool! be careful with isopropyl alcohol, it should not touch the cantilever as it might dissolve the cantilever glue.

    One more cartridge and stylus to your collection, one more can't hurt right :D ? keep this going and you will never need to order spare styli to your cartridges :p
     
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  2. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    sound, sound, heavy sound :uhhuh:
     
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  3. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    I am gonna try this option (highlighted) with my new level (The Ortofon Libelle) that I will put on top of the headshell:

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  4. Livewire91

    Livewire91 Mammagamma Member

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    :righton: That's the correct way, i just watch while it plays a perfectly flat record. Ofc First i lose lock and set the tonearm height and lock it again before playing and checking that it's parallel.
     
  5. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    do you use the level or just eyeball?
     
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  6. Livewire91

    Livewire91 Mammagamma Member

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    Just eyeball. Overhang gauge, stylus pressure scale, and eyeballing is enough for me :D
     
  7. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    Experimenting with this Baerwald Arc Protractor for Technics. Different to Technics jig.

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  8. Livewire91

    Livewire91 Mammagamma Member

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    It might not work together with the Technics overhang gauge. Please report how the experiment went when you are done.
     
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  9. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    Fantastic device:

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  10. DoF

    DoF Less is more... Thread Starter

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    setting azimuth on Jelco
     
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  11. Oelewapper

    Oelewapper Plays vinyl instead of installing it on the floor.

    I recommend the Concorde Century, when it comes to sound quality of Concorde cartridges.
    I've had multiple DJ concordes and tried a concorde 40, but those didn't even come close.
    It's about 600 euros, so it's a fourfold of a high-end DJ Concorde, but when it comes to sound quality, it's worth it.
    Performance wise, it's an equivalent of a 2M Bronze, so you're paying for the convenience and looks as well.


    I have zero experience with those 2M PnP cartridges though.
     
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  12. April Snow

    April Snow Forum Resident

    This is the reason I want MM too :)
    Starting on my upgrade journey now :)
     
  13. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident

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    The Concorde Century has the looks. The specs, looking at them with my limited knowledge, is pretty close to the 2M Bronze.

    The KAB SYS40 has the price, multiple stylus options (including 78's) and has specs close to the 2m Black


    Has anyone compared both? I can get get the century (new) pretty close to the KAB price ($450)
     
  14. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    KAB has the 40th Anniversary Concorde with the 40 stylus, which should be better...
    it is more equivalent to a 2M Black (though I believe lacks the silver in the wiring), but actually better specs than the Black, at least in terms of tracking and the stylus shape itself. On paper, the 40 is better than a Century, but it may be subjective. I had a 2M Bronze and didn’t like it...I got inner groove distortion on a lot of records with it. I do not have that problem with KAB’s previous version, which was a Pro S body with 40 stylus. I prefer that by a wide margin to the 2M Bronze.
     
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  15. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident

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    I may have to go ahead and get the KAB w 40 stylus. I'll be curious how it compares to my AT VM540ML
     
  16. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    Me too actually!
     
  17. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident

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    Report back once you try
     
  18. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    Ha! I’ll need you to do that if you get the Ortofon. I don’t have the AT, but I do have the Concorde 40. I’ve been considering one of the AT ML variants for a while though.
     
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  19. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident

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    How do you like the Concorde ?
     
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  20. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    That Concorde with a 40 stylus is a great all-around cartridge on a Technics. I think it's very slightly warmer than neutral, slightly forward mids, good dynamics, very punchy deep bass. I really like it on 80s records for that reason, particularly 12" singles, but it's very good on any material. Despite the more advanced stylus profile I don't find it picks up much extraneous noise. The soundstage depth is quite good, though it's not as wide as some cartridges I have, for example a Benz Micro Wood SL which has better channel separation. Of course the Benz is a moving coil and substantially more expensive, but in some instances I actually prefer the Ortofon. The mids are kind of recessed a bit on the Benz, which sometimes makes things sound too dull (but sometimes it's awesome -- just depends on the material). There aren't any other integrated designs I'd bother with...definitely not the integrated 2Ms.
     
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  21. Oelewapper

    Oelewapper Plays vinyl instead of installing it on the floor.

    Similar experiences here when comparing my Concorde Century to my Benz Micro Glider SL.
    The Century is more linear/flat, while the frequency response of the Glider is more like the fletcher-munson curve.
     
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  22. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    Yes, great description! :laugh: Sometimes I find the Benz lacks a little bite for that reason, but the bass is huge and treble is sweetened a bit, which can sound very nice. At first I loved that, but I had it out of my system for a while after the stylus became too worn and got accustomed to a more accurate sound, like what I get with my old Stanton 981 and Pickering 5000 Stereohedron models. I’ve just gotten the Benz back from being retipped, which turned out perfectly, so I’m trying it out again.
     
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  23. Oelewapper

    Oelewapper Plays vinyl instead of installing it on the floor.

    Nice, are there specialistes audio stores that do retips or do you need to send it to the manufacturer?
    The Benz Micro is my only/first MC and I only have it for about a year now, but it would be useful to know that in advance.
    I’m used to the replaceable styli of MM cartridges.
    Generally, I also like the linear response, I based most of my purchases of the gear on being linear and accurate.
    Certain types of electronic and rock music are an exception, but I use a DSP to add a bit more bass (all analog without EQ for all other types of music).

    I think the SL-1200GR itself also adds to that linearity, making it even more notable (I’m using the SL-1200G, but I assume the characteristic sound of the GR is very similar).
     
  24. snorker

    snorker Big Daddy

    I did not send it back to the manufacturer...I’m not sure if Benz is doing that anymore. You may just get a discount on a new one with a trade-in. I actually used a guy that’s a member here, @needlestein. Highly recommended.

    The Benz was my second moving coil...I had a a Clearaudio Concept MC before that. They both seemed to wear out faster than any moving magnet cartridges I’ve had.

    I also like the more linear response I think. Perhaps I just got so used to CDs in the 90s that the more “romantic” sounding cartridges sounds slightly off to me now. :shrug:
     
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  25. Oelewapper

    Oelewapper Plays vinyl instead of installing it on the floor.

    That’s funny, because some people claimed the new Technics turntables to be digital sounding - maybe they actually meant linear instead.
    I think the warmth of the Benz Micro is nice from time to time, but a linear sounding Concorde is way better as main cartridge.
     
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