Ozark (Netflix)

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  1. NettleBed

    NettleBed Forum Transient

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    Not just that - why would Wendy’s heaven experience cut to a scene with June and Camilla. I think we can dispense with theory.
     
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  2. Veltri

    Veltri ♪♫♫♪♪♫♫♪

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    The post was more tongue in cheek, but I'll defend it to the death.

    PI dispensed of to secure from last threat to family from prosecution.

    Not sure who June is, but a fantasy doesn't need to be first person perspective and can take tangents.
     
  3. George Co-Stanza

    George Co-Stanza Forum Resident

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    I get why they went more for the Sopranos-type ending rather than tying all loose ends ala Breaking Bad, but considering the show didn't have the equity of The Sopranos, I am surprised they went that route. They had to know that many were not going to like this ending. It is baffling how often the people who runs these shows can't figure out a good way to end them.
     
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  4. Invader Zim

    Invader Zim A Progressive Blues Experiment

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    Sorry, but Chris Mundy, the show runner, went on record and said there is no ambiguity in the ending. Trying to not spoil, but the guy who broke in got the blast.
     
  5. vegafleet

    vegafleet Forum Resident

    Hated the ending. No way Camilla does not kill Marty and Wendy. She always knew they were punking her for their own advantage and lying about Javi's death. Marty realizes this pretty early but is unable to stop Wendy from thinking that it is her (Wendy) who is pulling everybody's strings. Marty sees that Camilla has always been on to them. Once she learns who killed Javi, she can go ahead and kill the rest. Specially Wendy who has taken the lead in lying to her.

    Why does the PI hang around the house to gloat to them? Beyond stupid.

    The fade to black is trying too hard to be compared to The Sopranos. Did they not know how well that worked?
     
  6. jlocke08

    jlocke08 Forum Resident

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    loved the show. not happy with the ending. my choices-Ruth lives, turns her property into a resort called the Blue Cat Lodge & works on the side for Marty, Wendy dies, Marty works with FBI and becomes cartel boss (after Camilla dies), Jonah, Charlotte, and Rachel run the casino and launder for Marty/FBI. further hijinks ensue.
     
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  7. Daedalus

    Daedalus I haven't heard it all.....

    For me the ending makes sense given the underlying premises of the show. The locals get creamed because well- you know-they are dumb redneck locals and what did you expect. And the city-slickers may be dump elitist pr..ks but-you know- they are elites. And the show is about class. And you can bullsh@t to bullsh@t but you can’t speak truth to bullsh@t. So bullsh@t wins. Oh and the kids learned what it takes to stay on top -whether it is just for now or when-ever.
     
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  8. mikestar

    mikestar Friendly Optimist

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    I was rooting for Wendy to get one between the eyes from S1 E1.
     
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  9. vegafleet

    vegafleet Forum Resident

    I did not feel that way till later in the seasons (maybe season 3) because it was Marty who originally got them into the mess. But, yes, she turned in a way that Marty didn't. Also I felt that Omar Navarro was in love with her, she knew it, and that is why she got so far with him.
     
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  10. Johnny66

    Johnny66 Laird of Boleskine

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    I think it would have been fun to hear the sound of the gun reloading when the screen went black - allowing the audience to choose what they believe happened next...
     
  11. Carl80

    Carl80 Forum Resident

    Finished it last night, enjoyed it right the way through but was quite disappointed with the ending.
     
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  12. RoyalScam

    RoyalScam Luckless Pedestrian

    I knew better not to come here until I saw all the final episodes, knowing so many would dispense with the Spoiler tag.

    I was OK with the ending, though I do think that…

    Camila was brought in as a convenience, to write themselves out of a corner.

    The car crash was for nothing other than having a flashy start to the season. There was literally no other reason for it. It should’ve killed off Wendy.

    Too bad Ruth died, but I was OK with it.

    I wish Jason Bateman (the director of the finale) would have shown Marty giving the same nod he gave to the cartel enforcers to Jonah before the screen went black.
     
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  13. aroney

    aroney Who really gives a...?

    I always approached the show as dark comedy and frequently laughed at character lines, events, plot developments and on down the line.

    It just came off that way to me because it was just so insane, especially Marty's calm demeanor no matter the situation. Sure, there's suspension of disbelief with stuff like this, but how could any of it really be taken seriously?

    Did folks really take this as a straightforward crime drama?
     
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  14. jlocke08

    jlocke08 Forum Resident

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    yup. many, many people did. because that's what it was.
     
  15. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    I know that Ozark is over, but I hope that this glorius string of dark comedy/drama shows* never ends.

    * Some favorites - Barry, Jett, Mr Inbetween, Guilt, Fargo, Ray Donovan, Better Call Saul, Ozark, Killing Eve, Succession, Severance, Justified.
     
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  16. jlocke08

    jlocke08 Forum Resident

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    if i was rich i'd pay a lot of my wealth for more episodes of Jett. so sad.
     
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  17. George P

    George P Notable Member

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    :agree: :cry:
     
  18. aroney

    aroney Who really gives a...?

    A straightforward crime drama?

    I find that funny too...:D
     
  19. Veltri

    Veltri ♪♫♫♪♪♫♫♪

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    Some trivia:

    Javi and Camilla both played characters with their same first name on Queen of the South.
     
  20. Sky Dawg

    Sky Dawg Forum Resident

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    I know this is off topic, but I'm starting to get turned off by Barry. The character now seems to have zero redeeming qualities.
    I find his g/f really annoying as well. If they don't bring back feral cat girl I'm bailing.
     
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  21. mike s in nyc

    mike s in nyc Forum Resident

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    just watched the last episode.


    spoiler-


    Yeah, sad about Ruth and i was really rooting for her at the end- very poetic and moving having her imagine the rest of the family there. One thing that I thought about, as soon as i saw that goat cookie jar that Ruth got (and i think had Wendy's brother's ashes in, right?) -once the detective saw it at Jonah's (or was it at Ruth's, or both?) I thought to myself about a certain scene in breaking bad that got walter's bro in law on the track of realizing the 'truth', where an object was involved-- and I thought- this cookie jar with the ashes is gonna be that object. I'm sure it's a trope that's been used before (probably goes back to Shakespeare or something?) but I wonder if it was a bit of a shout out to breaking bad, or at least that 'tradition' ?




    all in all, not the best ending in the world, but not the worst either- I liked it, and liked that 20 min 'making of' reel as well. Gonna miss the show, and tho it wasn't perfect, it had many great parts and actors.
     
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  22. Juan Matus

    Juan Matus Reformed Audiophile

    I thought the first part of the last season was better than the second half. Overall it was a good show and the ending was pretty satisfying.
     
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  23. mmars982

    mmars982 Forum Resident

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    I agree. It was pretty smart to break the season in half like they did (with a short break). I don't know if it would have kept my interest if they released it all at once.
     
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  24. Paul J

    Paul J Forum Resident

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    Finished it last night, and agree with the criticisms of the final few episodes.

    Between Wendy’s personality change with her father on the Courthouse steps and them all crawling/walking away from the highway accident, it just didn’t fly. Not sure if ‘jumping the shark’ fits, but they pushed credulity (whatever credulity a series like this has).

    One other note, to me, at some point around episode 10 of the final season, Laura Linney seemed to be channeling William Hurt.
     
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  25. jlocke08

    jlocke08 Forum Resident

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    really wish they had explored the seeming slide Wendy was taking towards the same mental illness Ben suffered from. clearly she felt it coming on between the slamming of the head on the window, her reaction to her father on the courthouse steps, and multiple attempts to enter the health facility. she just couldn't stay away from the rush of everything she was juggling and wanting to be in control, hence the short stay in the hospital. that would have made a interesting storyline if we saw her trying to hide the illness while working all the other angles revolving around her.
     
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