Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by englishbob, May 27, 2014.
I was thinking the same. "Delicate" and "Technics" sound weird in the same phrase.
In my experience, and I've bought a few used tables, never take anything for granted, assume the seller doesn't know how to pack a table so question them about removing platter and counterweight, and securing tonearm, and anything else needed to help assure safe passage. Ebay is full of junk tables and damaged parts because of poor shipping, all tables are delicate.
Yes I know, I didn't mean it literally, just having fun.
There is always the warranty to consider. It sure is nice to have when putting out that kind of money.
How many years is the warranty? I guess it must not be transferable based on your comment. It is all new circuitry under the hood, so probably a good idea to have a warranty for few years, like with any new product.
I did get in touch with the seller (thanks for spotting this) but unfortunately, he's agreed a sale with someone else.
Looks like 3 year parts and labor in the US.
I remember seeing a Youtube video of a destroyed SME 20 due to the seller not disassembling, removing bearing oil etc. Some expensive damage. Some people are clueless idiots when it comes to anything mechanical.
OK so I am seriously considering buying new, for £2500. But I will be buying blind. There are no dealers where I can go and listen to it, or even see and touch it. I have 2 questions which may appear superficial, but hey, these things matter.
1) Does this thing look and feel like a £2500 turntable? Does the plinth really have a substantial, hewn-from-solid-metal look to it?
2) I read on another forum that the arm appears "toy like". I currently have a Jelco 750D which is reassuringly weighty and solid. Can anyone provide any reassurance on that?
Thanks in advance!
2) Nothing toy like about it. The arm is much more substantial than, by contrast, the Audio Technica LP120, which has an arm that looks and feels more like a toy to me. The 1200GR arm has a satin aluminum finish and exceptionally smooth bearings. It's hand assembled in Japan.
I don't have the G, I have the GR, but other than reading other owners actual reviews I also bought mine blind and I'm very happy. If I can pass this GR on to one of my kids or find a local buyer, I'll get the G from the same seller I bought the GR from, Robert Zohn at Value Electronics. Good luck and enjoy it!
Same. I was lucky enough to get in on Roberts first shipment of GR’s last summer and couldn’t have been happier. Pretty much bought blind other than familiarity with the older 1200’s as a DJ but it was clear Panasonic was serious about entering as a hifi competitor.
I would add that the GR build quality wise screams quality and I have zero issues for what I paid, based on build quality alone I feel like I more than got my worth. The G with it’s super sexy brass sub platter and magnesium arm are of even higher quality.
I bought my G "blind" but based on other's reviews and my experience with a Mk2. I haven't had a moment of regret. It is a tank and a thing of beauty. The platter is really something!
After seeing the G and the GR in person, I don't think either look or feel like toys, but I will say the visible difference between the two is striking. Everything is in the same place and same general dimensions, but the G is noticeably more attractive in my opinion and feels more substantial even if you're only handling the tone arm.
I honestly think you could put both tables in front of someone completely unfamiliar with turntables/vinyl, and they could pick out which was more expensive. Not to knock the GR at all. I just think they really took care of the details to separate the two, and not just with the sound.
And there should be.
Agreed. I’m a happy GR owner but having seen them both side by side at axpona in the technics room, it was clear they took the G to the next level. I admit I drooled.
Looking at your existing set up and given you have a Jelco arm I would caution that a GR might be the way to go. Maybe try some upgrades to feet and mat for a start. I think you are right to be looking at £2500 as a target price. How about initially transferring your Jelco to a Notts Analogue Ace Spacedeck or Michell Gyrodec plus HR power supply. I think if you want a much better DD sound the 1200G is the way to go.
Well, I did an experiment yesterday, transferring the stock arm back to my 1200G to test with the Koetsu. I was not a fan of the sound. Very thin and mechanical sounding. So I went through the whole process again, putting the Jelco back on. I would say though, that the Kiseki sounds better in the stock arm than the Jelco, but the Koetsu works much better with the Jelco than the stock arm.
Thanks for the responses to my original question on the "perceived" value of the SL1200G.
I have agreed a good price with a retailer. But here's a question, and please don't laugh at me...!
I asked that if I sent him my cartridge on my existing headshell (cos I tried, and can't get the tags off the pins) would he install it on the new headshell and align it for me. Now, keep in mind I also really struggle to install and align carts.
With that in mind, do you think it's worth £50 of my hard earned, which he wants to charge? Or should I struggle on, risk damage to my AT150MLX and my sanity?
(I guess I also need to put it in context of what the table is actually costing!)
Have I just answered my own question?
The GR was my first real turntable, before that a uturn orbit which basically comes preinstalled. For an actual newb like me with shaky hands the cartridge install and alignment using the stock technics gauge tool was idiot proof I assure you lol. I never was interested in other fancy alignments and figured technics and their Japanese craftsman know more about that stuff then I do so just followed the directions using the supplier gauge and knocked it out of the park in less than 15 minutes.
Thanks. So what does it come with in terms of instructions and gauges etc? Is it just a printed protractor?
It only comes with the Technics overhang alignment tool. Print out the free protractor from Vinyl Engine and you should have success. Watch some You Tube videos for hands-on stuff. Really easy.
If you're getting a really outstanding deal on the 1200 G, I think it's worth paying the money to have them do it. If you're getting a fairly average price, I honestly think they should be offering to do it as part of the sale. Just my personal opinion though.
sitting here wondering just what is an outstanding deal? $500 off, 10% under list?
That sounds like an awful lot of money, an hourly rate of over £100, nice work if you can get it, he's selling you a reasonably expensive deck, the least he could do is fit your cartridge, even if you didn't buy it from him, or perhaps charge you a fairer rate for the job.
The obvious suggestion though is to just use your existing headshell from the Jelco assuming the cart is properly fitted.
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