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Pillow experiment...

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Todd Fredericks, Apr 8, 2002.

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  1. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    A New Yorker
    I've read a lot of posts from Tom Port about trying pillows under equipment for improving sonics. He said to just try this experiment with a standard pillow and you should be pleasantly suprised. I was, very much so. I put a pillow under an mdf board that my Dynaco ST-70 sits on, made sure everything was stable and level (pillows have a habit of shifting until the proper balance is achieved). The results were amazing. The bass tightened up a lot (more defined/less muddiness). The soundstage's depth, width and clarity improved (a lot more space/more realistic). Everthing sounded more musical and less strained. I'm guessing that the pillow helped isolate and control a lot of vibration that was eating away at the sonics. I would like to thank Tom Port for sharing this amazing tweak with this forum. Thanks Tom!

    Todd
     
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  2. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    Don't forget that Tom sells "proper" ....ummmm.... 'magic pillows'.

    Tom can you elaborate on the difference between a magic pillow and a head pillow?

    OK, apart from waking up with a headache if you keep the pillow under the amplifier instead of your head! ;) Are they more stable? Allow more air to circulate under your amp?

    Thanks, Mr. T!

    PS Todd: Should this post have gone under Audio Software? :D
     
  3. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    A New Yorker
    Gary,

    I luckily have a few extra "head" pillows in the apartment (the wife took a lot of things but thankfully not all the pillows/they weren't firm enough for her/oh well/she took the bed...). I'm also curious about these "magic pillows" that Tom sells. Maybe I should have posted this in the "soft"ware forum (ha!). I have the amp sitting on an mdf board and the board sits on the pillow. It took a few minutes to get the balance stable and level. The Dynaco's transformer are in the back (heavier) so I need to make a few balance adjustments. It seems very, very stable now. I was checking the level, etc. all weekend to make sure nothing sagged or drifted. Still level and "parked".

    Todd
     
  4. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Pillow Talk

    All,

    How do "magic pillows" improve amp performance? Do they add stability?

    Bob :confused:
     
  5. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    That's an easy one Bob. The pillow absorbs vibration preventing it from going through the amp.;)
     
  6. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    A New Yorker
    Bob,

    I think a pillow helps the amp's performance because it can get a decent night's sleep and less chance of a crick in the transformers. :)

    My guess is that the pillow is helping absorb vibration from the amp and from the room. Tube amps usually need some sort of vibration control. This seems to work very well. Perhaps cones do also but I haven't tried...

    Todd
     
  7. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Dave,

    Vibration caused by the speakers, I assume, like harmonics?

    Bob
     
  8. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    Yes siree Bob.:D
     
  9. Bob Lovely

    Bob Lovely Super Gort Staff

    Dave,

    Thanks for indulging in my "novice" type questions! Now I suppose there will be a market for designer "magic pillows"....

    Bob :D
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    Actually Bob there is already. His name is Tom Port/Humorem.;)
     
  11. RDK

    RDK Active Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I've also found that placing a pillow or two over my ears cuts down the glare of bright-sounding recordings....



    ;)
     
  12. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    A New Yorker
    With some recordings, I actually take it a step further. I just ram the damn pillows into my ears. They tickle my brain sometimes. I hate it when I can't get one of them out. People think I look rather strange with half a pillow dangling out of my head. I tell them it's for medical reasons, not fashion...

    Todd
     
  13. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

    Location:
    Toronto
    Yea, I tell 'em it's for self preservaton, myself. :D
     
  14. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    It's actually a little bit of a drag, now that my hearing is refined for high-end listening. I will actually get up and leave someones home if they are running crap and want it cranked up.

    Had this happen at a friends place for the very first time and I passed it off as "Gee I must be gettin' old as my hearing can't take that kinda volume anymore." but my better half knew right away what the problem was. Quite an eye-opener actually.
     
  15. kim kerwin

    kim kerwin New Member

    Location:
    Agoura Hills, Ca
    pillows

    I'm glad you guy's are trying some of these cheap tweaks that are on this forum. Tom's magic pillows are a fairly inexpensive tweak that make amazing results with almost all equipment. I first tried it on my cd player ( biggest improvment ) and went on down the line ( preamp, phono, amps, everything but my tt ) . It's a lot cheaper than buying some expensive isolation devices and in most cases works better.
     
  16. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    I've also heard that if you place a pea under the pillow before listening...oh...nevermind...that's another story...
     
  17. mazort

    mazort New Member

    Location:
    San Antone
    Black Diamond Racing

    I have had really good luck with Black Diamond Racing cones and "round things" under my equipment. The effect is quite dramatic - the music floats free of the speakers. Not exagerating.

    They are well worth the money IMHO. You need sets of three under each piece of equipment. It adds up, but I don't know how else to get there.

    We find that pillows are more effective head isolation devices when we're trying to get schleepies than the BDR cones, though, around our house.:p
     
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