Pink Floyd - Making sense of the Zabriskie Point sessions

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  1. TheLazenby

    TheLazenby Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    He turned down "Country Song" for God's sakes - that's one of Floyd's best 'wilderness era' tracks!
     
  2. m20gull

    m20gull Forum Resident

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    Thanks to this thread I have collected all my ZP stuff together and it is a great set.

    Disk 1 - official release with Roy Orbison and Rolling Stones added for completeness
    Disk 2 - second disk of the Rhino set
    Disk 3 - the lost album
    Disk 4 - the official outtakes from TEY
    Disk 5 - the rest of the outtakes
    Disk 6 - the soundtrack versions
    Disk 7 - a Pink Floyd only 12 song soundtrack
    Disks 8/9 - Live material from Croydon, Paris, Birmingham and Sheffield
    Disk 10 is the DVD of the movie

    OK, there is some duplication and I have included the live AHM tracks to show development and pad the live disks out to 2 but I like it.
     
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  3. amonjamesduul

    amonjamesduul Forum Resident

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    Don't qoute me but I seem to remember reading somewhere that some tracks were remixed from multitracks,not sure which one's or if it's even true.I would love a definitive list comparing the studio notes with what is out there.Weird as well is that the disc on TEY has room at the end yet not more ZP music that we know exists from other sources.
     
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  4. anth67

    anth67 Purveyor of Hogwash

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    Then again, Barbet used "The Gold It's In the..." ~ in a movie about adventuring over the mountains and across the sea ~ for a makeout scene in a hut. What's WITH these directors?
     
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  5. Outside The Wall

    Outside The Wall Forum Resident

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    All of the EY Zabriskie Point tracks are described as previously unreleased, but not all were "remixed in 2016":

    (The liner notes etc indicate that tracks 13 - 16 ( Love Scene Take 1, Unknown Song Take 1, Love Scene Take 2, Crumbling Land Take 1 ) were not remixed in 2016.)

    What is the significance of this, in relation to "vintage mixes" and "multis" and so on?
     
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  6. TheLazenby

    TheLazenby Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    .....Seriously?

    One of the best songs on that album (next to "Wots Uh The Deal") and THAT's where it goes?! Good Lord.
     
  7. no time

    no time Forum Resident

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    I like Pink Floyd especially in the period 1969-1971, I have read for years reconstructions of the "Zabriskie Point" sessions, but honestly I understood very little. I think the biggest confusion comes from the names of the songs, often the same song with different names, then different mixes and other names, etc., I therefore ask the experts for help, a list of songs starting with this order:

    1) Zabriskie Point (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) 2CD
    2) Devi/ation CD2
    +
    3) A Total Zabriskie Point of View (Unofficial)
    4) Other Unofficial (eventually)

    Indicating under each song the variations of names, duration, mixes, etc. in other CDs, example:

    Crumbling Land (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack) 4:13
    Crumbling Land (Take 1) (Devi/ation CD2) 4.09
    Crumbling Land (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) 5:55
    Crumbling Land (soundtrack edited version) (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) 4:13

    Unknown Song (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack) 6.01
    Unknown Song (Take 1) (Devi/ation CD2) 5.56
    Rain in the Country (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) 7:00

    this is just an example, but perhaps this way is more understandable. Thanks in advance :shtiphat:
     
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  8. christian42

    christian42 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    A reformat from my post on the first page then. ;)

    I've included TheLazenby's remark about the different Love Scene versions from above in the thread.

    Hope this helps!

    Rumoured album:

    Heart Beat, Pig Meat

    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD)

    Variant mixes:
    Film version (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Country Song

    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD)

    Variant mixes:
    Full mix (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Variant takes:
    Auto Scene version 1 (Devi/ation), also released as Country Song Theme (acoustic) on A Total Zabriskie Point of View - different take
    Looking at Map (Devi/ation), also released as Country Song Theme (band) on A Total Zabriskie Point of View - different take

    Fingal's Cave

    Original version (Devi/ation), under the title Aeroplane

    Variant takes:
    Take Off (Devi/ation) - different take

    Crumbling Land

    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD)

    Variant mixes:
    Full version (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - the same take, just the full version
    Full mix (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Variant takes:
    On the Highway (Devi/ation), also released as Crumbling Land (film version) on A Total Zabriskie Point of View - different take
    Crumbling Land (take 1) (Devi/ation) - different take

    Alan's Blues
    Original full version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD), under the title "Love Scene Version 6"

    Variant mixes:
    Original version (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - the same take, just faded which is supposedly how it would have been presented on the rumoured album
    Full mix (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Oenone

    Original version (A Total Zabriskie Point of View), aka Love Scene Version Two.

    Variant mixes:
    Full mix (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Variant takes:
    Love Song Version 1 (Devi/ation) - different take
    Love Scene Version Three (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different take
    Love Song Version One (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different take. On Devi/ation is a shorter mix of this variant, called "Love Song Version 2".

    Rain in the Country
    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD), under the title "Unknown Song"

    Variant mixes:
    Rain in the Country (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix
    Love Song Version 7 (Devi/ation) - an edited, shorter version of the original
    Rain in the Country (full mix) (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - different mix

    Variant takes:
    Unknown Song take 1 (Devi/ation), aka Rain in the Country (alternate version) on A Total Zabriskie Point of View

    Come In Number 51, Your Number Is Up
    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD)

    Variant mixes:
    Film version - different mix
    Movie trailer version - edited variant of "film version"

    Variant take:
    Explosion (Devi/ation) - different take

    Outtakes:


    Love Scene Version 4

    Original version (Zabriskie Point Soundtrack 2CD)

    Variant mixes:
    Love Scene (take 1) (Devi/ation) - shorter edit of the original version

    Variant takes:
    Love Scene (take 2) (Devi/ation), also released as Love Scene Version 5 on A Total Zabriskie Point of View - different take

    Auto Scene Version 3

    Original version (Devi/ation)

    The Riot Scene

    Original version (Devi/ation)

    Variant mixes:
    Us and Them (Richard Wright Demo) (Dark Side of the Moon Immersion) - different edit
    The Violent Sequence (A Total Zabriskie Point of View) - full edit of the original version and Us and Them RW Demo

    Take Off Version 2

    Original version (Devi/ation)

    Variant:
    A release combining this with "On the Highway" is on A Total Zabriskie Point of View

    The Christmas Song


    Only available on A Total Zabriskie Point of View. Never considered part of the Zabriskie Point soundtrack.
     
  9. TheLazenby

    TheLazenby Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    Also, I believe we now have both a rehearsal take and two full takes of the "Christmas Song."
     
  10. no time

    no time Forum Resident

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    Thanks to the precious answer of christian42 :cool:, I have drawn up this list relating to official releases. I did it for personal use, but maybe it can be useful to someone else. The timing of the songs is the one that appears on the player.

    ZPS = Zabriskie Point (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) 2CD
    DEV = The Early Years - Devi/ation CD2
    IMM = The Dark Side Of The Moon - Immersion Box Set


    01 - Heart Beat, Pig Meat (3:12) / ZPS

    02 - Crumbling Land (4:16) / ZPS

    02a - On The Highway (1:16) / DEV
    02b - Crumbling Land (Take 1) (4:08) / DEV

    03 - Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up (5:01) / ZPS
    03a - Explosion (5:47) / DEV

    04 - Country Song (4:40) / ZPS
    04a - Auto Scene Version 2 (1:13) / DEV
    04b - Looking At Map (1:56) / DEV

    05 - Unknown Song (6:03) / ZPS
    05a - Love Scene Version 7 (5:03) / DEV
    05b - Unknown Song (Take 1) (5:56) / DEV

    06 - Love Scene Version 6 (7:28) / ZPS

    07 - Love Scene Version 4 (6:46) / ZPS

    07a - Love Scene (Take 1) (2:16) / DEV
    07b - Love Scene (Take 2) (6:40) / DEV

    08 - Auto Scene Version 3 (1:32) / DEV

    09 - Aeroplane (2:17) / DEV

    09a - Take Off (1:20) / DEV

    10 - The Riot Scene (1:39) / DEV
    10a - Us And Them (Richard Wright Demo) (5:34) / IMM

    11 - Love Scene Version 1 (3:26) / DEV
    11a - Love Scene Version 2 (1:55) / DEV

    12 - Take Off Version 2 (1:11) / DEV
     
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  11. Raf

    Raf Senior Member

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    Very useful, but shouldn't there be a note that "05" and "05b" are actually the same take? Just a suggestion.
     
  12. no time

    no time Forum Resident

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    You're absolutely right, but if I did I would certainly make many mistakes, but if someone more expert than me wants to add notes, specifications and other songs from bootlegs can do it without problems.
     
  13. no time

    no time Forum Resident

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    This is an evolution of the previous list, with all known tracks of "Zabriskie Point" and is based on the precious post of christian42 (#83) :cool: where you can find all the specifications (same track of... , alt. version, alt. take, alt. mix, edited version, etc.).
    Obviously it is not a definitive work, but this is the best I can do. I put the official versions first and the timing of the tracks is the one that appears on the player.

    ZPS = Zabriskie Point (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) 2CD
    DEV = The Early Years - Devi/ation CD2
    IMM = The Dark Side Of The Moon - Immersion Box Set
    ------------------------------
    ATZ = A Total Zabriskie Point Of View 2CD-boot

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    01 - Heart Beat, Pig Meat (3:12) / ZPS
    ---
    01a - Heart Beat, Pig Meat (3:10) / ATZ
    01b - Heart Beat, Pig Meat (Film Version) (2:48) / ATZ

    02 - Crumbling Land (4:16) / ZPS
    02a - On The Highway (1:16) / DEV
    02b - Crumbling Land (Take 1) (4:08) / DEV
    ---
    02c - Crumbling Land (5:54) / ATZ
    02d - Crumbling Land (Full Mix) (5:13) / ATZ
    02e - Crumbling Land (OST Edited Version) (4:13) / ATZ
    02f - Crumbling Land (Film Version) (0:44) / ATZ

    03 - Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up (5:01) / ZPS
    03a - Explosion (5:47) / DEV
    ---
    03b - Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up (5:02) / ATZ
    03c - Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up (Film Version) (5:06) / ATZ
    03d - Come In Number 51, Your Time Is Up (Trailer Version) (1:40) / ATZ

    04 - Country Song (4:40) / ZPS
    04a - Auto Scene Version 2 (1:13) / DEV
    04b - Looking At Map (1:56) / DEV
    ---
    04c - Country Song (4:39) / ATZ
    04d - Country Song Theme (Band) (2:12) / ATZ
    04e - Country Song Theme (Acoustic) (1:18) / ATZ
    04f - Country Song (Full Mix) (5:56) / ATZ

    05 - Unknown Song (6:03) / ZPS
    05a - Love Scene Version 7 (5:03) / DEV
    05b - Unknown Song (Take 1) (5:56) / DEV
    ---
    05c - Rain In The Country (6:52) / ATZ
    05d - Rain In The Country (Alternate Version) (6:00) / ATZ
    05e - Rain In The Country (Full Mix) (6:59) / ATZ

    06 - Love Scene Version 6 (7:28) / ZPS
    ---
    06a - Alan's Blues (5:44) / ATZ
    06b - Love Scene #6 (The Blues) (7:26) / ATZ
    06c - Love Scene #6 (The Blues - Full Mix) (7:27) / ATZ

    07 - Love Scene Version 4 (6:46) / ZPS
    07a - Love Scene (Take 1) (2:16) / DEV
    07b - Love Scene (Take 2) (6:40) / DEV
    ---
    07c - Love Scene #4 (Piano & Vibes) (6:54) / ATZ
    07d - Love Scene #5 (Double Vibes) (6:43) / ATZ
    07e - Love Scene #4 (Piano Only) (6:45) / ATZ

    08 - Auto Scene Version 3 (1:32) / DEV

    09 - Aeroplane (2:17) / DEV

    09a - Take Off (1:20) / DEV
    ---
    09b - Fingal's Cave (1:53) / ATZ

    10 - The Riot Scene (1:39) / DEV
    10a - Us And Them (Richard Wright Demo) (5:34) / IMM
    ---
    10b - The Violent Sequence (6:23) / ATZ
    10c - The Violent Sequence (Us And Them Demo) (5:39) / ATZ

    11 - Love Scene Version 1 (3:26) / DEV
    11a - Love Scene Version 2 (1:55) / DEV
    ---
    11b - Oenone (6:50) / ATZ
    11c - Love Scene #1 (Organ & Guitar) (6:36) / ATZ
    11d - Love Scene #3 (Band) (7:51) / ATZ
    11e - Love Scene #2 (Oneone - Full Mix) (6:56) / ATZ

    12 - Take Off Version 2 (1:11) / DEV
    ---
    12a - Take Off (Version II) (1:10) / ATZ

    13 - Take Off (Version II) - Crumbling Land (1:50) / ATZ
     
  14. What do all the 3-letter source codes stand for again? I've only followed this thread sporadically I'm afraid. Thanks in advance!
     
  15. Hymie the Robot

    Hymie the Robot Forum Resident

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    Read the post directly above yours.
     
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  16. TheLazenby

    TheLazenby Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    Yeah, on "A Total Zabriskie Point Of View", some tracks are EQ'd quite differently than other sources - "Heart Beat, Pig Meat" sounds muffled compared to the 1997 Rhino CD.

    This is more down to the bootlegger's own tinkering, though, rather than anything Floyd did. Likewise, tracks like "Country Song" are mixed differently there, because the bootlegger was going more for 'this is what a 1970 Pink Floyd album would sound like.'

    Thankfully, not spoiling the song, though - a rival boot around the same time called "Another Zabriskie Point Of View" (by someone formerly with the outfit that made ATZPOV) added so much digital reverb to "Country Song" it spoiled the tune!
     
  17. Tony Cruse

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    I was chatting to an author yesterday who worked for their label. He said they recorded an album which included absolutely no musical instruments. Just sound effects, elastic bands etc. But they shelved it the tapes. Anyone heard about this?
     
  18. MHP

    MHP Lover of Rock ‘n Roll

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  19. Outside The Wall

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    On Saturday 15th September, it would be fitting to take some time-out to listen to the Zabriskie Point tracks at length, especially those that allow Richard Wright to shine, e.g. The Riot Scene.

    It will be the tenth anniversary of his passing.
     
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  20. Wright

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    La vallée is a great film, but except for the opening sequence, the music is not put to the best use. A far cry from Zabriskie Point, where Floyd's contribution is crucial to the final scene.
     
  21. andrewskyDE

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    I was watching La Vallée only once before and I swear I could only recognize two of the soundtrack album's songs there.
    Which were 'Obscured By Clouds' (used twice: in the intro and the end credits) and an alternate take of 'Burning Bridges'.
     
  22. Wright

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    "The Gold..." and "What's the Deal" are both used as background music, more-or-less, with the former - if I recall correctly - being wasted to mimic generic rock music coming out of a car radio.
     
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  23. andrewskyDE

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    I remember 'Burning Bridges' was playing in the car radio. It was an alternate take/version, Gilmour sang different lyrics than what we hear in the soundtrack album.
     
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  24. anth67

    anth67 Purveyor of Hogwash

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    Exactly. Same with More ~ great opening sequence, after that very spotty. The "Nile Song" being a hippy dance party record is pretty hilarious, though ; )

    I've still never seen Zabriskie Point. Nice to hear he made good use of what he actually used ~ even if he left countless powerful pieces on the cutting room floor.
     
  25. TheLazenby

    TheLazenby Forum Resident In Memoriam

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    I mean, let's be honest - Antonioni was right about Floyd's score sounding "like church." XD (That describes a lot of the 'Love Scene' material!)
     
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